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<blockquote data-quote="AZRogue" data-source="post: 4130417" data-attributes="member: 3963">Orcus level 33? Cool, that sounds about right. If the power ratio remains fairly constant, that would be like a DnDXP party going up against that black dragon. Very, very difficult but possible. Or somewhere in that ballpark.A diety? I would like them to be given stats at some point, I imagine, like in a supplement. I think they should go ahead and do what was mentioned here and keep them level 38 or so. That would put them beyond the normal party and would require some special circumstances for a PC party to take them on.BUT it would also give me, as a DM, the ability to have, say, Moradin, Orcus, Demogorgon, and a host of devils and angles all in one place having it out and the PCs caught up in the middle, tipping the scales one way or the other. Level 38 is well outside the range of a normal party but stats at that level would give me the tools to plop them down in an epic adventure somewhere and turn it into something memorable. As a matter of fact, the most memorable adventure ever for my group was a 1E adventure with a Cloud Dragon and a lot of Gates and rolls on the random tables. We had so many Gods, Devils, Demons, Solars, and what have you in that fight that the combat itself took five sessions. We still talk about that one. If I could approach that again, that would be awesome.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AZRogue, post: 4130417, member: 3963"] Orcus level 33? Cool, that sounds about right. If the power ratio remains fairly constant, that would be like a DnDXP party going up against that black dragon. Very, very difficult but possible. Or somewhere in that ballpark. A diety? I would like them to be given stats at some point, I imagine, like in a supplement. I think they should go ahead and do what was mentioned here and keep them level 38 or so. That would put them beyond the normal party and would require some special circumstances for a PC party to take them on. BUT it would also give me, as a DM, the ability to have, say, Moradin, Orcus, Demogorgon, and a host of devils and angles all in one place having it out and the PCs caught up in the middle, tipping the scales one way or the other. Level 38 is well outside the range of a normal party but stats at that level would give me the tools to plop them down in an epic adventure somewhere and turn it into something memorable. As a matter of fact, the most memorable adventure ever for my group was a 1E adventure with a Cloud Dragon and a lot of Gates and rolls on the random tables. We had so many Gods, Devils, Demons, Solars, and what have you in that fight that the combat itself took five sessions. We still talk about that one. If I could approach that again, that would be awesome. [/QUOTE]

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