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<blockquote data-quote="dm4hire" data-source="post: 4131277" data-attributes="member: 14848">I'd model it after Tinman if I did it as that miniseries was a pretty good twist of the story.I never saw the Lady of Pain as hackneyed, the principle idea what the everyone should be too busy to be concerned with her or concerned with fighting her.&nbsp; She's more the genie in the bottle you don't want to let out.A lot of thought has to go into it as well; ready to face the consequences of their actions both good and bad.&nbsp; I had a group of players who magic jarred Asmodeus one time and thought they were the bomb; ready to rule Hell until I pointed out that they had just disrupted the balance of power and they were fools to think any Devil was going to let them, let alone escape Hell alive with it.&nbsp; When they exclaimed they would just break him free if they got attacked I asked what they thought he'd do then.&nbsp; Worried they suggested turning the bottle over to a good god and I pointed out that they probably wouldn't be too keen on that either.&nbsp; They suddenly realized the extent of their brash bright idea and planeshifted away before anyone caught them.&nbsp; The bottle turned up in a neutral temple where it vanished shortly after reaching the alter.&nbsp; They were tough but they lacked the requirement to maintain control over what they thought they were going to do, if not for the jar they would have lost the fight as it was.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dm4hire, post: 4131277, member: 14848"] I'd model it after Tinman if I did it as that miniseries was a pretty good twist of the story. I never saw the Lady of Pain as hackneyed, the principle idea what the everyone should be too busy to be concerned with her or concerned with fighting her. She's more the genie in the bottle you don't want to let out. A lot of thought has to go into it as well; ready to face the consequences of their actions both good and bad. I had a group of players who magic jarred Asmodeus one time and thought they were the bomb; ready to rule Hell until I pointed out that they had just disrupted the balance of power and they were fools to think any Devil was going to let them, let alone escape Hell alive with it. When they exclaimed they would just break him free if they got attacked I asked what they thought he'd do then. Worried they suggested turning the bottle over to a good god and I pointed out that they probably wouldn't be too keen on that either. They suddenly realized the extent of their brash bright idea and planeshifted away before anyone caught them. The bottle turned up in a neutral temple where it vanished shortly after reaching the alter. They were tough but they lacked the requirement to maintain control over what they thought they were going to do, if not for the jar they would have lost the fight as it was. [/QUOTE]

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