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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 1589351" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>Yes, that's certainly true. And that's what makes him a target for threads like this more often than not. In particular, his view on the OGL is under attack in the other main thread.</p><p></p><p>Does that mean we also shouldn't post our opinion on statements or personalities that don't come to the message boards? Or are dead? These attacks aren't personal attacks, they aren't the kinds of posts that he <em>needs</em> to respond to or answer, they are discussions of his management of TSR (which is primarily, at least now, a matter of public record) and a discussion of his openly stated opinions on things like the OGL, 3rd edition, his style of gaming, etc. which are <em>always</em> open targets for discussion regardless of Gygax's health.</p><p></p><p>He deserves respect. Everyone deserves respect. Nobody deserves <em>reverence</em>. He doesn't deserve to be on a pedestal, nor does it really do him any service to place him on one. He's as likely to be wrong about the hobby as any other gamer, in my experience. His contributions to the hobby have been dubious since his ousting at TSR. His style of gaming specifically infused D&D with a culture that drove me away for a decade and a half while I did other games instead. What he did in promoting and marketting RPGs as a genre of game/book was impressive, but I have no doubt that someone else would have done the same thing within a few years if he hadn't. His efforts are the gestalt of the work and play of a number of people.</p><p></p><p>Unfortunately (for him, although it's certainly mitigated by the fact that he became fabulously wealthy over it at one point) that puts him in the position where his opinions will be analyzed and discussed more than most, and his olde fashioned ideas about gaming (indeed, some would say myopic, egotistical and obsolete ideas, and it's a valid opinion to have) ensure that they will recieve a fair bit of criticism.</p><p></p><p>But that's the nature of the beast. He's a minor celebrity amongst gamers, and he's outspoken, so these "attacks" will continue.</p><p></p><p>By the way, where were your noble goals stated here when you were "viciously attacking" Peter Jackson over the Lord of the Rings movies, who doesn't even read these boards (as far as we know?) Please, let's try to keep the hero worship and double standards to a minimum.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 1589351, member: 2205"] Yes, that's certainly true. And that's what makes him a target for threads like this more often than not. In particular, his view on the OGL is under attack in the other main thread. Does that mean we also shouldn't post our opinion on statements or personalities that don't come to the message boards? Or are dead? These attacks aren't personal attacks, they aren't the kinds of posts that he [i]needs[/i] to respond to or answer, they are discussions of his management of TSR (which is primarily, at least now, a matter of public record) and a discussion of his openly stated opinions on things like the OGL, 3rd edition, his style of gaming, etc. which are [i]always[/i] open targets for discussion regardless of Gygax's health. He deserves respect. Everyone deserves respect. Nobody deserves [i]reverence[/i]. He doesn't deserve to be on a pedestal, nor does it really do him any service to place him on one. He's as likely to be wrong about the hobby as any other gamer, in my experience. His contributions to the hobby have been dubious since his ousting at TSR. His style of gaming specifically infused D&D with a culture that drove me away for a decade and a half while I did other games instead. What he did in promoting and marketting RPGs as a genre of game/book was impressive, but I have no doubt that someone else would have done the same thing within a few years if he hadn't. His efforts are the gestalt of the work and play of a number of people. Unfortunately (for him, although it's certainly mitigated by the fact that he became fabulously wealthy over it at one point) that puts him in the position where his opinions will be analyzed and discussed more than most, and his olde fashioned ideas about gaming (indeed, some would say myopic, egotistical and obsolete ideas, and it's a valid opinion to have) ensure that they will recieve a fair bit of criticism. But that's the nature of the beast. He's a minor celebrity amongst gamers, and he's outspoken, so these "attacks" will continue. By the way, where were your noble goals stated here when you were "viciously attacking" Peter Jackson over the Lord of the Rings movies, who doesn't even read these boards (as far as we know?) Please, let's try to keep the hero worship and double standards to a minimum. [/QUOTE]
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