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<blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7528057" data-attributes="member: 6704184"><p>IME most people have been running it correctly, including new players, in spite of it being worded wrong, so apparently the intent isn't <em>too</em> unclear, but it definitely isn't worded correctly. </p><p>As for lawyering, I was referring to the assertion that because you see in dim light as bright light, seeing in darkness as if it's dim light means you see in darkness as bright light. That isn't a natural reading, it's a bit by bit extrapolation of the exact wording with no regard for what the sentence is meant to say by a casual, natural, reading. </p><p></p><p> I know, man. I was recognizing that in the text you quoted. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. You just went in circles. The text as written implies that "darkness as dim light" extends as far as you can see. That part needs errata. Nothing in the text implies that you see as if in bright light while standing in a lightless 60ft room. </p><p></p><p>There is no "which in turn". The meaning of the sentence clearly does not stack the second clause onto the first. It clearly refers to them as different cases that cause you to see differently. Because that is clear in the sentence structure and wording, it is then clear (with the rules clarification from SA) you see brightly in an area that is objectively dim light, and dimly in an area that is objectively darkness, within the stated range. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Eh, I'd rather just make Darkvision make more sense by making it explicitly fit Charlequin's initial reading, and leave it at that, or make improved darkvision work that way. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>OK, you really gonna just drop that and then not explain how you made telescopic vision work in 5e mechanical terms?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doctorbadwolf, post: 7528057, member: 6704184"] IME most people have been running it correctly, including new players, in spite of it being worded wrong, so apparently the intent isn't [I]too[/I] unclear, but it definitely isn't worded correctly. As for lawyering, I was referring to the assertion that because you see in dim light as bright light, seeing in darkness as if it's dim light means you see in darkness as bright light. That isn't a natural reading, it's a bit by bit extrapolation of the exact wording with no regard for what the sentence is meant to say by a casual, natural, reading. I know, man. I was recognizing that in the text you quoted. I'm sorry, but that makes no sense. You just went in circles. The text as written implies that "darkness as dim light" extends as far as you can see. That part needs errata. Nothing in the text implies that you see as if in bright light while standing in a lightless 60ft room. There is no "which in turn". The meaning of the sentence clearly does not stack the second clause onto the first. It clearly refers to them as different cases that cause you to see differently. Because that is clear in the sentence structure and wording, it is then clear (with the rules clarification from SA) you see brightly in an area that is objectively dim light, and dimly in an area that is objectively darkness, within the stated range. Eh, I'd rather just make Darkvision make more sense by making it explicitly fit Charlequin's initial reading, and leave it at that, or make improved darkvision work that way. OK, you really gonna just drop that and then not explain how you made telescopic vision work in 5e mechanical terms? [/QUOTE]
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