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<blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 7528092" data-attributes="member: 6779196"><p>Look, it’s really not that complicated. “You see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light.” If we go with the most natural reading of this text instead of the intended reading, it suggests that you see in any and all darkness <strong>as if it were</strong> dim light, and you see in dim light that is within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light. So let’s say you’re in a lightless 120 foot room. You see in that room <strong>as if it were</strong> dim light. <strong>If it were</strong> dim light, you would see normally out to 60 feet, and with disadvantage (and in monochrome) beyond that. Ergo, in order to see in it <strong>as if it were</strong> dim light, you must see in it normally within 60 feet of you. Otherwise you’re not seeing in it as if it were dim light, you’re seeing in it as if it were some other light quality in which you see with disadvantage when it’s within 60 feet of you.</p><p></p><p>There’s nothing unnatural about that interpretation. I’ll grant that it’s not the way everyone intuitively interprets it (clearly, or we wouldn’t be having this discussion) but I certainly interpreted it that way initially, and I don’t think there’s anything particularly outlandish about that reading. In fact, I think it is more consistent with the text as it is written. I’m perfectly comfortable with that not being the intent, and we seem to be in agreement that the section in question is in need of errata, and that a clarification about the distance would be sufficient (although I maintain that also changing “as if it were” to “as other creatures see in” would further improve the clarity). What further purpose do you have in arguing this point except to demean my (admittedly mistaken) initial interpretation?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Charlaquin, post: 7528092, member: 6779196"] Look, it’s really not that complicated. “You see in dim light within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light, and in darkness as if it were dim light.” If we go with the most natural reading of this text instead of the intended reading, it suggests that you see in any and all darkness [B]as if it were[/B] dim light, and you see in dim light that is within 60 feet of you as if it were bright light. So let’s say you’re in a lightless 120 foot room. You see in that room [B]as if it were[/B] dim light. [B]If it were[/B] dim light, you would see normally out to 60 feet, and with disadvantage (and in monochrome) beyond that. Ergo, in order to see in it [B]as if it were[/B] dim light, you must see in it normally within 60 feet of you. Otherwise you’re not seeing in it as if it were dim light, you’re seeing in it as if it were some other light quality in which you see with disadvantage when it’s within 60 feet of you. There’s nothing unnatural about that interpretation. I’ll grant that it’s not the way everyone intuitively interprets it (clearly, or we wouldn’t be having this discussion) but I certainly interpreted it that way initially, and I don’t think there’s anything particularly outlandish about that reading. In fact, I think it is more consistent with the text as it is written. I’m perfectly comfortable with that not being the intent, and we seem to be in agreement that the section in question is in need of errata, and that a clarification about the distance would be sufficient (although I maintain that also changing “as if it were” to “as other creatures see in” would further improve the clarity). What further purpose do you have in arguing this point except to demean my (admittedly mistaken) initial interpretation? [/QUOTE]
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