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Ridding Elves and Half-Elves of Darkvision
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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7528288" data-attributes="member: 6919838"><p>But... barring tremorsense, monsters with darkvision and no light have the same issues - so those monsters are as likely to be surprised in many cases yes?</p><p></p><p>Compare this to carrying lights which give away your presence well before you get close enough that their light helps you see better than dim.</p><p></p><p>And it's not like vision is the only sense that tells you of things around you - sound and smell go a long way. </p><p></p><p>I have seen way to many get hung up on vision and light and pretty much treat them as be all end all of encounter setups... and then some wonder why some players exclude non-Dv races so much - it's because they were trained to do so by GMs.</p><p></p><p>Had a recent game where this was the case and every night varmints seemed to keep popping up at the edge of someone's visual range by light. Even large varmints with net stealth of -1 or worse never got heard on approach. They just appear at the 30' range if that's where the light ended.</p><p></p><p>My answer to "Does your character have darkvision?" became "No, but they have ears!" to no avail.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7528288, member: 6919838"] But... barring tremorsense, monsters with darkvision and no light have the same issues - so those monsters are as likely to be surprised in many cases yes? Compare this to carrying lights which give away your presence well before you get close enough that their light helps you see better than dim. And it's not like vision is the only sense that tells you of things around you - sound and smell go a long way. I have seen way to many get hung up on vision and light and pretty much treat them as be all end all of encounter setups... and then some wonder why some players exclude non-Dv races so much - it's because they were trained to do so by GMs. Had a recent game where this was the case and every night varmints seemed to keep popping up at the edge of someone's visual range by light. Even large varmints with net stealth of -1 or worse never got heard on approach. They just appear at the 30' range if that's where the light ended. My answer to "Does your character have darkvision?" became "No, but they have ears!" to no avail. [/QUOTE]
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