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Message: <blockquote data-quote="SableWyvern" data-source="post: 1853780" data-attributes="member: 1008">Another "me too" may not be necessary, but since it seems this is a contentious issue in your group, you could do with all the support you can get.Just look at the rules: both say "when mounted and using the charge action", or words to that precise effect. Anyone who wishes to argue that they cannot both be used when making a charge would need to find some clause or exception to prove their point. Otherwise, the RAW are quite clear.Feats and abilities that are actions in their own right specify in their description "using X is a full round action" or somesuch. Neither of these feats mention this, so the argument that they require multiple actions is based on absolutely nothing.Both feats enhance a charge. They are applied when taking a charge action, along with a +2 to hit and a -2 to AC.</blockquote>