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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MithrasRahl" data-source="post: 3933538" data-attributes="member: 43428">I think it's pretty clear that in the situation, according to the rules and common sense interpretations, a level 4 character mounting and riding an evil and (if by adolescent you mean Juvenile) Large dragon is out of the question. It should be a Grapple check to mount, since the dragon is not willingly allowing you to touch/mount it, and the Dragon has a +28 on it's grapple check. For this to work, you'd have to make a successful grapple check to get on, then a round by round ride check of a ridiculous DC to stay on. Then you'd need to make a Knowledge check (that only the rider could make) to pin point the nerve that would control the wings, since the pain a 1d3/1d4 dagger would cause a 142 HP dragon is laughable. Then you would need to make a Climb check of a high DC that would also give a penalty to your next Ride check to reach the nerve, and then you would have to make an attack roll to hit the nerve, also providing a penalty to the Ride check. The Ride check for "Controling a mount in Battle" is DC 20, and that is with your willing, unintelligent mount. An intelligent and unwilling mount that is stronger and faster than you would increase this DC to the impossible.The Climb check for "A rough surface, such as natural rock or a brick wall" is DC 25, and the wall isnt moving.Sadly, all of this is wasted when a group decides to follow what is funny/cool/awesome to see. Now, I have no general problem with this, but it is frustrating when something that clearly could never, ever happen gets allowed for whatever reason. It just shows that the DM is allowing out-of-game friendships/moods/etc to influence his decisions in game. While some of you may be ok with this, and even prefer it, it certainly is now how I enjoy gaming.EDIT: And if you are riding bareback, you take a -5 to your Ride check</blockquote>

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