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<blockquote data-quote="Greenfield" data-source="post: 6398722" data-attributes="member: 6669384">Ah.&nbsp; To me &quot;Grants the wearer use of the spell&quot; means use of the spell, including duration, casting time, etc..&nbsp; &quot;Gains benefits of the spell&quot; could mean the same, subject to interpretation.&nbsp; &quot;Gains benefits of &lt;condition x&gt;, as the spell &lt;spell x&gt;&quot; means what it says:&nbsp; Benefits, but not the spell itself.&nbsp; Meaning, no casting time, no duration limits, etc.In the case of the Ring, it refers to the spell as a shortcut to a definition of the Invisibility condition, and the fact that it's dispelled if the user attacks anyone.&nbsp; If it grants actual use of the spell, with all the limits, then it should also grant the advantages:&nbsp; You should be able to make someone or something else Invisible, just like the spell.&nbsp; That way, one ring benefits the entire party!&lt;Tangent&gt;Ever tried using Invisibility on a door in a dungeon?&nbsp; You get to look through to the other side without triggering any traps, and if there's an opponent on the other side they waste their first series of attacks on the invisible barrier between you.&nbsp; &lt;/Tangent&gt;Tell me, in your games, does a Ring of Three Wishes cost 5000 Exp to use each wish?&nbsp; After all, if it's a Ring that emulates a spell, doesn't it copy the spell in other ways?As far as the Hat giving a lot for an 1,800 gp price:&nbsp; That price is *exactly* correct, per the formula in the book:&nbsp; Spell level (1) x Caster Leve (1) x 1,800 (command activated) for unlimited use.&nbsp; It's like the dictionary definition of how items are priced per formula.&nbsp; If the Hat's overpowered, so is the spell.&nbsp; (It also probably means that you aren't playing it very well.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greenfield, post: 6398722, member: 6669384"] Ah. To me "Grants the wearer use of the spell" means use of the spell, including duration, casting time, etc.. "Gains benefits of the spell" could mean the same, subject to interpretation. "Gains benefits of <condition x>, as the spell <spell x>" means what it says: Benefits, but not the spell itself. Meaning, no casting time, no duration limits, etc. In the case of the Ring, it refers to the spell as a shortcut to a definition of the Invisibility condition, and the fact that it's dispelled if the user attacks anyone. If it grants actual use of the spell, with all the limits, then it should also grant the advantages: You should be able to make someone or something else Invisible, just like the spell. That way, one ring benefits the entire party! <Tangent>Ever tried using [I]Invisibility[/I] on a door in a dungeon? You get to look through to the other side without triggering any traps, and if there's an opponent on the other side they waste their first series of attacks on the invisible barrier between you. </Tangent> Tell me, in your games, does a Ring of Three Wishes cost 5000 Exp to use each wish? After all, if it's a Ring that emulates a spell, doesn't it copy the spell in other ways? As far as the Hat giving a lot for an 1,800 gp price: That price is *exactly* correct, per the formula in the book: Spell level (1) x Caster Leve (1) x 1,800 (command activated) for unlimited use. It's like the dictionary definition of how items are priced per formula. If the Hat's overpowered, so is the spell. (It also probably means that you aren't playing it very well.) [/QUOTE]

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