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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rystil Arden" data-source="post: 2068769" data-attributes="member: 29014">Are you kidding?  You may the claim that because the item isn't as good for every class, it should have its price lowered?  That's like saying that Ring of Wizardry should cost less because my Fighter can't use it or that a Cloak of Charisma should cost less gold for everyone because some of the classes couldn't care less about Charisma.  You can't claim balance based on sub-optimal choices, you need to base the price off of someone who would realistically want to buy it (i.e. not someone with terrible Fort and Will saves).  And you've built an unrealistic argument anyway.  Its absolutely absurd, in my experience, to find a 10th-level wizard with no Con bonus (they don't live to 10th level on a d4 hit dice without a Con bonus unless the enemies are really stupid, and players pretty much always put their second best stat in Con for a Wizard), so a Realistic 10th-level wizard has a Fort save of +7 or +8.  Clearly the Ring of Mettle would be a serious problem worn by a Monk, and basic unstoppableness would come into play if it was some sort of Paladin/Monk with good Charisma. A Pal3/Mnk6/Brd1 who is working to make use of Ring of Mettle will buy a Cloak of Resistance to help and take the save feats, so unless you play 25-point-buy, she will have *at least* +18 to all saves.  I agree completely that the DCs are likely to be approximately 19-20, so it looks like the saves are not going to fail very often.  And this is without stat buffs items for the relevant stats.</blockquote>

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