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<blockquote data-quote="Al" data-source="post: 2071162" data-attributes="member: 2486">Rystil, your point seems to hinge on the fact that if a halfling Paladin/Barbarian/Frenzied Berserker etc. got a hand on one of these rings then he'd be nigh unstoppable.&nbsp; However, this begs the question: what if he actually took a level of Pious Templar?&nbsp; Would this really make him an unstoppable death machine?&nbsp; Or would clever tactics and use of spells negate his power (Forcecage, Irresistable Dance, Maze etc.)?&nbsp; I don't buy the argument that *any* non-epic build is somehow invincible against magic-using opponents of its CR, particularly at high level.&nbsp; Moreover, just because one build is broken, this does not entail that the entire get-up was out of kilter.&nbsp; The same was true of the Spell Focus 3.5 nerf, predicated on the notion that DCs were too high for people with Greater Spell Focus, Red Wizard and Archmage.Personally, I think that a Ring of Mettle is worth only as much as a Ring of Evasion, because the number of Fort partial spells are fewer than Ref half, and the number of Will partial spells are nearly none - Harm and the Holy Smite variations being the only notable ones that come to mind.&nbsp; In lieu, however, of the fact that it is a custom-made item that replicates an unusual ability, I could see an argument for, at most, x1.5 a Ring of Evasion, or x2.&nbsp; I can't see it going much above that: for the same price (x2), you could get a +5 deflection bonus to AC which is probably more useful in the long run.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Al, post: 2071162, member: 2486"] Rystil, your point seems to hinge on the fact that if a halfling Paladin/Barbarian/Frenzied Berserker etc. got a hand on one of these rings then he'd be nigh unstoppable. However, this begs the question: what if he actually took a level of Pious Templar? Would this really make him an unstoppable death machine? Or would clever tactics and use of spells negate his power (Forcecage, Irresistable Dance, Maze etc.)? I don't buy the argument that *any* non-epic build is somehow invincible against magic-using opponents of its CR, particularly at high level. Moreover, just because one build is broken, this does not entail that the entire get-up was out of kilter. The same was true of the Spell Focus 3.5 nerf, predicated on the notion that DCs were too high for people with Greater Spell Focus, Red Wizard and Archmage. Personally, I think that a Ring of Mettle is worth only as much as a Ring of Evasion, because the number of Fort partial spells are fewer than Ref half, and the number of Will partial spells are nearly none - Harm and the Holy Smite variations being the only notable ones that come to mind. In lieu, however, of the fact that it is a custom-made item that replicates an unusual ability, I could see an argument for, at most, x1.5 a Ring of Evasion, or x2. I can't see it going much above that: for the same price (x2), you could get a +5 deflection bonus to AC which is probably more useful in the long run. [/QUOTE]

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