Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Rings of Power -- all opinions and spoilers welcome thread.
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Mercurius" data-source="post: 8812483" data-attributes="member: 59082"><p>Certainly, and I think having knowledge of a given field tends to lend credence to one's opinion of something within that field. But that only goes so far; and "experts" aren't inherently more right than "non-experts" (not to mention the difference between being an <em>art critic </em>and an <em>artist).</em> If I have a Master's degree in American History, it doesn't mean my opinion on a given historical event is inherently more correct than a high school drop-out. They may be self-taught, or maybe they're just more reasonable and/or knowledgeable about the subject. On the other hand, I'm not going to ask someone who hates IPAs about whether an IPA is good or not. And of course the problem with judging one field through the lens of another.</p><p></p><p>But herein lies the larger problem: Both Parmandur and I (in this context) think we're more objective about the artistic merit of Rings of Power. We can devolve into an endless back and forth pissing contest about who is more objective or qualified, but it won't go anywhere good. And as I said above, ultimately qualifications don't determine truth. Recognizing the subjective element--which I would say is the dominant factor with regards to our opinion on a given piece of art, and is always a factor even if one is trying to be, or thinks they are being, objective--at least allows us to recognize that, well, there's no accounting for taste. And more so, that there's nothing wrong with feeling a certain way about (in this case) Rings of Power - that we don't need to write it off as ignorance or a hidden agenda or even poor taste...at least as far as communication is concerned (we can all <em>think</em> what we want, but some things are best left un-spoken!).</p><p></p><p>What I keep trying to point out is that it is interesting how wide a range of opinions exist on Rings of Power -- even among those with deep knowledge of Tolkien, and/or film aficionados. Some say it is great, others crap...that is kind of interesting, no? Both Parmandur and I seem to have a good deal of knowledge about Tolkien, but still fundamentally disagree on Rings of Power and whether it captures the "spirit of Tolkien." We also both seem to have a sense of what makes good art (or at least believe we do!), but have very different views on the artistic merits of Rings of Power.</p><p></p><p>So where does that leave us? I think the best compromise is: "Different strokes for different folks." This is not to say that conversations can't and shouldn't be had on <em>why </em>we think the way we think about it, but we all know where the endless back-and-forths go...at best, unsolved disagreement (which is where we're at now), at worst, insults and arguments (which is where none of us want to go).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercurius, post: 8812483, member: 59082"] Certainly, and I think having knowledge of a given field tends to lend credence to one's opinion of something within that field. But that only goes so far; and "experts" aren't inherently more right than "non-experts" (not to mention the difference between being an [I]art critic [/I]and an [I]artist).[/I] If I have a Master's degree in American History, it doesn't mean my opinion on a given historical event is inherently more correct than a high school drop-out. They may be self-taught, or maybe they're just more reasonable and/or knowledgeable about the subject. On the other hand, I'm not going to ask someone who hates IPAs about whether an IPA is good or not. And of course the problem with judging one field through the lens of another. But herein lies the larger problem: Both Parmandur and I (in this context) think we're more objective about the artistic merit of Rings of Power. We can devolve into an endless back and forth pissing contest about who is more objective or qualified, but it won't go anywhere good. And as I said above, ultimately qualifications don't determine truth. Recognizing the subjective element--which I would say is the dominant factor with regards to our opinion on a given piece of art, and is always a factor even if one is trying to be, or thinks they are being, objective--at least allows us to recognize that, well, there's no accounting for taste. And more so, that there's nothing wrong with feeling a certain way about (in this case) Rings of Power - that we don't need to write it off as ignorance or a hidden agenda or even poor taste...at least as far as communication is concerned (we can all [I]think[/I] what we want, but some things are best left un-spoken!). What I keep trying to point out is that it is interesting how wide a range of opinions exist on Rings of Power -- even among those with deep knowledge of Tolkien, and/or film aficionados. Some say it is great, others crap...that is kind of interesting, no? Both Parmandur and I seem to have a good deal of knowledge about Tolkien, but still fundamentally disagree on Rings of Power and whether it captures the "spirit of Tolkien." We also both seem to have a sense of what makes good art (or at least believe we do!), but have very different views on the artistic merits of Rings of Power. So where does that leave us? I think the best compromise is: "Different strokes for different folks." This is not to say that conversations can't and shouldn't be had on [I]why [/I]we think the way we think about it, but we all know where the endless back-and-forths go...at best, unsolved disagreement (which is where we're at now), at worst, insults and arguments (which is where none of us want to go). [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Geek Talk & Media
Rings of Power -- all opinions and spoilers welcome thread.
Top