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<blockquote data-quote="Sepulchrave II" data-source="post: 9471184" data-attributes="member: 4303"><p>Some thoughts:</p><p></p><p>1. I think that characterizing the mountain-knocked-down-by-catapults as anything other than a contrived spectacle used to propel the episode forward is a bit hard to swallow. </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Handily, the river is narrower than in S1</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How is this remotely plausible?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Why didn't they use this strategy at the outset of the battle?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Where did the water go?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Why was the riverbed easily crossable in the aftermath? With siege engines?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How was it achieved so quickly?<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">If it took a long time (days, weeks) why isn't this passage of time adequately represented?</li> </ul></li> </ul><p>2. What was Arondir doing for the bulk of the episode, other than just turning up to save Galadriel?</p><p>3. What was Gil-Galad doing for the bulk of the episode? Why wasn't he in command?</p><p>4. How did Elrond get to Khazad-Dum and back in this time? What exactly <em>was </em>this time?</p><p>5. How did the elves arrest their massed charge so quickly?</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You know what would have been cool? Establishing with wide shots that Elven cavalry move like an organic mass on the battlefield - like a murmuration of starlings. But it wasn't.</li> </ul><p>6. The symbolic chiaroscuro of the elves facing off against the orcs was poorly executed. It would have worked better in an arthouse movie.</p><p>7. Why didn't the elves just charge the orcs around Galadriel and bust her out of her cage?</p><p>8. What was happening while Elrond and Adar were parleying? Was there a ceasefire or did the battle rage on? It seems like the siege just kept going.</p><p>9. Why didn't Adar (or other orcs) just kill Elrond?</p><p>10. Why did the pin-cushion elf archer have to be inserted as a Boromir memberberry?</p><p>11. Why did Prince Durin turn his whole army round instead of just sending a contingent back to deal with his father, or leading a contingent?</p><p>12. Eregion's walls, as noted above</p><p>13. Efforts to subvert the symbolism of Gandalf relieving Helm's Deep at dawn by having the Dwarves not turn up were ham-fisted</p><p>14. No clear sense of scale of the battle</p><p>15. Don't deploy your cavalry into woods, you rookie elf commander</p><p>16. What was that stupid siege engine that pulled rocks out of the wall supposed to be? Some kind of sow or boar?</p><p></p><p>I mean, I could go on...</p><p></p><p>But.., did you know that Damrod the troll was modelled after Mike from <em>Breaking Bad</em>? I think that's pretty cool.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sepulchrave II, post: 9471184, member: 4303"] Some thoughts: 1. I think that characterizing the mountain-knocked-down-by-catapults as anything other than a contrived spectacle used to propel the episode forward is a bit hard to swallow. [LIST] [*]Handily, the river is narrower than in S1 [*]How is this remotely plausible? [*]Why didn't they use this strategy at the outset of the battle? [*]Where did the water go? [*]Why was the riverbed easily crossable in the aftermath? With siege engines? [*]How was it achieved so quickly? [LIST] [*]If it took a long time (days, weeks) why isn't this passage of time adequately represented? [/LIST] [/LIST] 2. What was Arondir doing for the bulk of the episode, other than just turning up to save Galadriel? 3. What was Gil-Galad doing for the bulk of the episode? Why wasn't he in command? 4. How did Elrond get to Khazad-Dum and back in this time? What exactly [I]was [/I]this time? 5. How did the elves arrest their massed charge so quickly? [LIST] [*]You know what would have been cool? Establishing with wide shots that Elven cavalry move like an organic mass on the battlefield - like a murmuration of starlings. But it wasn't. [/LIST] 6. The symbolic chiaroscuro of the elves facing off against the orcs was poorly executed. It would have worked better in an arthouse movie. 7. Why didn't the elves just charge the orcs around Galadriel and bust her out of her cage? 8. What was happening while Elrond and Adar were parleying? Was there a ceasefire or did the battle rage on? It seems like the siege just kept going. 9. Why didn't Adar (or other orcs) just kill Elrond? 10. Why did the pin-cushion elf archer have to be inserted as a Boromir memberberry? 11. Why did Prince Durin turn his whole army round instead of just sending a contingent back to deal with his father, or leading a contingent? 12. Eregion's walls, as noted above 13. Efforts to subvert the symbolism of Gandalf relieving Helm's Deep at dawn by having the Dwarves not turn up were ham-fisted 14. No clear sense of scale of the battle 15. Don't deploy your cavalry into woods, you rookie elf commander 16. What was that stupid siege engine that pulled rocks out of the wall supposed to be? Some kind of sow or boar? I mean, I could go on... But.., did you know that Damrod the troll was modelled after Mike from [I]Breaking Bad[/I]? I think that's pretty cool. [/QUOTE]
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