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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 268079" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>Are you smoking something again kr? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>I know the difference between reading one of your posts (which I didn't btw) and vaguely remembering a calculation from a year plus ago.</p><p></p><p>Note the sentence: "the cost to put all arcane spells from the PHB into spell books"</p><p></p><p>The spells from the PHB, not from all books. The numbers were off a little due to me mis-remembering, but this is what it is:</p><p></p><p>Spell Level - Number of Spells - Number of Pages</p><p></p><p>0 - 16 - 16</p><p>1 - 42 - 84</p><p>2 - 41 - 164</p><p>3 - 37 - 222</p><p>4 - 38 - 304</p><p>5 - 39 - 390</p><p>6 - 35 - 420</p><p>7 - 28 - 392</p><p>8 - 26 - 416</p><p>9 - 22 - 396</p><p></p><p>2804 pages @ 100 GP per page = 280,400 GP = 29 books</p><p></p><p>This is not researching the spells like James asked, merely copying them into spell books.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As for your NPC’s 30 spell books being a meager portion, it might be if you consider all D20 sources, even then it would probably be more than 25%. But, if you just consider WotC sources, the PHB (and hence your NPC if his spell books are full) have a majority of the WotC spell pages generally available.</p><p></p><p>Tome & Blood</p><p></p><p>0 - 01 - 1</p><p>1 - 07 - 14</p><p>2 - 13 - 52</p><p>3 - 07 - 42</p><p>4 - 11 - 88</p><p>5 - 04 - 40</p><p>6 - 03 - 36</p><p>7 - 03 - 42</p><p>8 - 02 - 32</p><p>9 - 02 - 36</p><p></p><p>383 pages @ 100 GP per page = 38,300 GP = 4 books</p><p></p><p></p><p>Magic of Faerun (including those of FRCS)</p><p></p><p>0 - 04 - 4</p><p>1 - 17 - 34</p><p>2 - 22 - 88</p><p>3 - 19 - 114</p><p>4 - 16 - 128</p><p>5 - 12 - 120</p><p>6 - 11 - 132</p><p>7 - 10 - 140</p><p>8 - 09 - 144</p><p>9 - 07 - 126</p><p></p><p>1030 pages @ 100 GP per page = 103,000 GP = 11 books</p><p></p><p></p><p>Epic Level Handbook</p><p></p><p>10 - 47 - 940</p><p></p><p>940 pages @ 100 GP per page = 94,000 GP = 10 books (remember, this is only the copying cost, not the development cost)</p><p></p><p></p><p>Manual of the Planes</p><p></p><p>1 - 01 - 2</p><p>2 - 01 - 4</p><p>3 - 05 - 30</p><p>4 - 06 - 48</p><p>5 - 02 - 20</p><p>6 - 02 - 24</p><p>7 - 02 - 28</p><p>8 - 01 - 16</p><p></p><p>172 pages @ 100 GP per page = 17,200 GP = 2 books</p><p></p><p></p><p>So, if you look at the vast majority of WotC material (excluding Dragon magazine, of which most spells are eventually recycled into other material), the PHB at 28+ books consists of about 54% of the spell pages, even after skewing the data with the ELH spells (ignoring them since they will not be used in most campaigns results in the PHB having about 64% of the spell pages).</p><p></p><p>This percentage will drop over time and I probably missed a few arcane spells here and there, but 30 spell books is not exactly a meager portion of any collection of 3E D20 spells, even one that includes all 3E spells from all sources (internet, other D20 products, etc.). It's a good sized percentage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 268079, member: 2011"] Are you smoking something again kr? :) I know the difference between reading one of your posts (which I didn't btw) and vaguely remembering a calculation from a year plus ago. Note the sentence: "the cost to put all arcane spells from the PHB into spell books" The spells from the PHB, not from all books. The numbers were off a little due to me mis-remembering, but this is what it is: Spell Level - Number of Spells - Number of Pages 0 - 16 - 16 1 - 42 - 84 2 - 41 - 164 3 - 37 - 222 4 - 38 - 304 5 - 39 - 390 6 - 35 - 420 7 - 28 - 392 8 - 26 - 416 9 - 22 - 396 2804 pages @ 100 GP per page = 280,400 GP = 29 books This is not researching the spells like James asked, merely copying them into spell books. As for your NPC’s 30 spell books being a meager portion, it might be if you consider all D20 sources, even then it would probably be more than 25%. But, if you just consider WotC sources, the PHB (and hence your NPC if his spell books are full) have a majority of the WotC spell pages generally available. Tome & Blood 0 - 01 - 1 1 - 07 - 14 2 - 13 - 52 3 - 07 - 42 4 - 11 - 88 5 - 04 - 40 6 - 03 - 36 7 - 03 - 42 8 - 02 - 32 9 - 02 - 36 383 pages @ 100 GP per page = 38,300 GP = 4 books Magic of Faerun (including those of FRCS) 0 - 04 - 4 1 - 17 - 34 2 - 22 - 88 3 - 19 - 114 4 - 16 - 128 5 - 12 - 120 6 - 11 - 132 7 - 10 - 140 8 - 09 - 144 9 - 07 - 126 1030 pages @ 100 GP per page = 103,000 GP = 11 books Epic Level Handbook 10 - 47 - 940 940 pages @ 100 GP per page = 94,000 GP = 10 books (remember, this is only the copying cost, not the development cost) Manual of the Planes 1 - 01 - 2 2 - 01 - 4 3 - 05 - 30 4 - 06 - 48 5 - 02 - 20 6 - 02 - 24 7 - 02 - 28 8 - 01 - 16 172 pages @ 100 GP per page = 17,200 GP = 2 books So, if you look at the vast majority of WotC material (excluding Dragon magazine, of which most spells are eventually recycled into other material), the PHB at 28+ books consists of about 54% of the spell pages, even after skewing the data with the ELH spells (ignoring them since they will not be used in most campaigns results in the PHB having about 64% of the spell pages). This percentage will drop over time and I probably missed a few arcane spells here and there, but 30 spell books is not exactly a meager portion of any collection of 3E D20 spells, even one that includes all 3E spells from all sources (internet, other D20 products, etc.). It's a good sized percentage. [/QUOTE]
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