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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 6420915" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>I'm really, really tired of experienced roleplaying game players SEVERELY underestimating the skills of new players to D&D. Every single thing that gets released there's a bunch of people screaming "THIS IS TOO COMPLEX! NEWBS WON'T UNDERSTAND IT!".</p><p></p><p>Just how *how long* does a new player have to play before we stop thinking of these people as incompetent morons? I mean really? This is an adventure that starts at Level 8! To get to this point, a campaign has been running probably for like what? Six months at least? And the idea of taking the small individual segments of Episode 1 and spreading them throughout the rest of the episodes is <em>too hard for them</em> to now grasp? Just how stupid do we really think these players are?</p><p></p><p>I'd love it if for once, rather than all us experience players coming down from our ivory towers to complain about how hard things are for the unwashed masses of little people... maybe we ought to ask those people *themselves* just how easy or difficult it is to understand what this adventure is about? Because the arrogance we display when we state that "While *I* can certainly understand what they are going for... a new player is just a stupid little creature and needs to have their hand held much tighter otherwise their tiny little minds will explode and they'll never play D&D again" is just astounding.</p><p></p><p>If this is the way we really think of new players to the hobby... THAT'S what's really going to drive them away, that arrogant condescension. Not the supposed ease or difficulty of the products themselves.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 6420915, member: 7006"] I'm really, really tired of experienced roleplaying game players SEVERELY underestimating the skills of new players to D&D. Every single thing that gets released there's a bunch of people screaming "THIS IS TOO COMPLEX! NEWBS WON'T UNDERSTAND IT!". Just how *how long* does a new player have to play before we stop thinking of these people as incompetent morons? I mean really? This is an adventure that starts at Level 8! To get to this point, a campaign has been running probably for like what? Six months at least? And the idea of taking the small individual segments of Episode 1 and spreading them throughout the rest of the episodes is [i]too hard for them[/i] to now grasp? Just how stupid do we really think these players are? I'd love it if for once, rather than all us experience players coming down from our ivory towers to complain about how hard things are for the unwashed masses of little people... maybe we ought to ask those people *themselves* just how easy or difficult it is to understand what this adventure is about? Because the arrogance we display when we state that "While *I* can certainly understand what they are going for... a new player is just a stupid little creature and needs to have their hand held much tighter otherwise their tiny little minds will explode and they'll never play D&D again" is just astounding. If this is the way we really think of new players to the hobby... THAT'S what's really going to drive them away, that arrogant condescension. Not the supposed ease or difficulty of the products themselves. [/QUOTE]
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