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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 6419532" data-attributes="member: 15700">The basis of his argument is exactly the same.  You're making a choice on how to distribute your stats to gain the benefits of the respective values you chose to place, and you're encountering an item that makes that choice moot.  Saying that it applies in 5e because you have additional choices but doesn't apply in 1e is incredibly disingenuous to the basis of the original argument that was presented.Items that override player choice of attribute designation is not a new thing at all, and these arguments (I feel cheated because my choices were wasted) hardly ever existed.  I would say never, but obviously I can't make that claim with full certainty because I wasn't at everyone's table.  This is a relatively new argument, one that I feel reeks of entitlement.  First, it assumes that the item was designed for YOU.  Just because your group found a girdle, in no way means it's crap if YOUR character can't gain a benefit from it.  Secondly, if you already have the strength of an ogre, and find gauntlets of ogre strength, why in God's name would you assume said named gauntlets would make you stronger than an ogre?  Thirdly, I get the impression that such arguments seem to imply that magic items should always make the PC better mechanically, or there's some sort of unfairness there.  Not every item you find should be better than what you already have.</blockquote>