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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ahglock" data-source="post: 5166298" data-attributes="member: 56725">My initial impression would be to say no.  It refers to a few types of "doors" and calls them a method of ingress.  That implies to me a real opening that you move your body through, not something you reach your hand into.  I don't think it makes a difference either way, and terms like ingress can be interpreted in multiple ways. As for it not being fair for the PC thief who wants to rob the party, I kind of think tough for him.  Oh no, you can't cheat the party and probably wreck the campaign when people find out about it and then the party fights happen.  Or they pretend they are astonishingly stupid and can't figure out its the PC thief who is stealing from them.  I never found that crap fun, though i guess some people would.  But somehow I doubt the thief player would be happy if I slit his throat in his sleep because my character can add 2 & 2 together.  Or I get told by the DM I don't know the thief stole my money.  Sure he has 50 gagillion more GP than anyone else in the party and I've seen him slip things in his pocket that were the parties but that could like totally of been a one time event, I can't use ooc knowledge.  Not that I blame the DM for that, he doesn't need the game to be wrecked by me killing off a player.  But hey why should the rest of the party have to suck it up and deal with the thief players bad behavior just because he played a thief class.(yeah I ranted, but it happened to me in a game 10 or so years ago and I remember it as one of those things I never wanted to let happen in any game I ran)Also on a side note, due to how skills work in this game that thief on the street kind of auto steals from the wizard if he is an appropriate challenge.  While I don't think this spell by how it is written would fix that is it so bad if the wizard with a ritual or anyone else without the perception skill can stop someone from just rolling him without any effort?</blockquote>

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