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<blockquote data-quote="Ancalagon" data-source="post: 8441952" data-attributes="member: 23">HelloIn part for RP reasons, in part because our party really needs a ritual caster, I am considering taking the feat &quot;ritual caster&quot; for my fighter (yes, he qualifies).But I was wondering... does that mean he could create scrolls?&nbsp; What about using them?So to create a scroll,&nbsp; you must either:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">have the spell prepared&nbsp; OR</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">it must be among the character’s known spells&nbsp; (like a bard or warlock for example)</li>
</ul>So clearly a ritual caster doesn't have spell prepared.&nbsp; And while they &quot;know&quot; spells in the sense that it's in their spellbook, they don't know it by heart the way say a sorcerer would.&nbsp;&nbsp; So I think that means a ritual caster can't create scrolls.&nbsp; But it doesn't quite feel right.But can they use them?This... gets complicated.&nbsp;&nbsp; The rules say &quot;If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components. &quot;So a strict reading means that no, fighters can't use scrolls.&nbsp; But I note two aspects that make me less certain about this.1:&nbsp; There are a lot of ways a caster can know a spell &quot;not on their class list&quot;.&nbsp; What about domain spells, or a bard magical secret?&nbsp; What about a feat that makes you learn a new spells?&nbsp; If say you have the magical adept feat to learn the spell healing word, it would be very peculiar if you couldn't use a scroll of said spell, wouldn't it?&nbsp; It could mean that a light cleric can make a scroll of fireball, but can't use it.2:&nbsp; Fighters have access to the wizard spell lists via one subclassI look forward to your input on these questions.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ancalagon, post: 8441952, member: 23"] Hello In part for RP reasons, in part because our party really needs a ritual caster, I am considering taking the feat "ritual caster" for my fighter (yes, he qualifies). But I was wondering... does that mean he could create scrolls? What about [I]using[/I] them? So to create a scroll, you must either: [LIST] [*]have the spell prepared OR [*]it must be among the character’s known spells (like a bard or warlock for example) [/LIST] So clearly a ritual caster doesn't have spell prepared. And while they "know" spells in the sense that it's in their spellbook, they don't know it by heart the way say a sorcerer would. So I [I]think[/I] that means a ritual caster can't create scrolls. But it doesn't quite feel right. But can they [I]use[/I] them? This... gets complicated. The rules say "If the spell is on your class’s spell list, you can read the scroll and cast its spell without providing any material components. " So a strict reading means that no, fighters can't use scrolls. But I note two aspects that make me less certain about this. 1: There are a lot of ways a caster can know a spell "not on their class list". What about domain spells, or a bard magical secret? What about a feat that makes you learn a new spells? If say you have the magical adept feat to learn the spell healing word, it would be very peculiar if you couldn't use a scroll of said spell, wouldn't it? It could mean that a light cleric can make a scroll of fireball, but can't use it. 2: Fighters have access to the wizard spell lists via one subclass I look forward to your input on these questions. [/QUOTE]

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