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Message: <blockquote data-quote="kevkas" data-source="post: 4805470" data-attributes="member: 83869">Well, what KarinsDad pretty much sums up the "Why?" part, but quoting, the main reason is:  As for the money the PC's would be spending, it's not an issue really: I just take a note of the amount of money they spent using the ritual (which is their money in the first place) and just give it back in the next treasure (or gradually as loot from bodies of enemies). I don't really see the money aspect as a problem.What I see as a problem is the auto-identifying, which not only me, but even the players at my table don't like (they think that identifying that way kind of loses interest, it felt more "magical" using something to gain that knowledge, like the Identify spell in 3rd ed., and I agree.) Even though some posts were off subject, all the info that some of you gave me really helps. I'm working this ritual in my mind right now, and giving it final details (at least for what I need for my table, which may not be what some of you want for your games), and when I have a little free time I'll post the ritual, maybe as an image so you can print it if you like it and hand it out at your tables too.</blockquote>