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Message: <blockquote data-quote="marelion" data-source="post: 5749635" data-attributes="member: 6679828">Please compare the following two passages and tell me what you think of them. Below my interpretation:Fourth, we wanted to make sure that spells that existed to enable exploration (such as knock, water breathing, or passwall—3e's "scroll bait" spells) no longer had to compete with more combat-useful utility effects.So what Mr baker is implying is that in 3.x spells that are now riutuals had a hard time competing with combat spells. I guess, he has a point here and I can see why 4E sorted those spells out into the seperate category we now know as rituals. It was a design goal to encourage players to use rituals more frequently. What gives me a headache are the following two lines:When you see 4E groups using rituals frequently, it's usually because  they've found ways to exploit low-level rituals that have negligible  costs.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />So when a 4E group adapts to the new system and begins to use rituals more frequently it is a failure of the new design,which main selling point, I will emphasize this once more, was to encourage players to more frequently use them. Am I the only one who is a little confused about this statement? It would have been helpful for the reader if Mr Baker had added a couple of examples of exploitable rituals.I yet have to find an exploitable ritual. Might somebody enlighten me on the matter of ritual exploit? From what i have read on the internet the reverse seems to be true, e.g. that many groups forgo the use of rituals entirely because they feel wonky and of limited utility.I`ll add that in our group (Level 15) we frequently use rituals, especially Phantom Steed and Sending,  because they offer great utility. They both save a lot of story-time  and help to create a larger frame for a Paragon Tier campaign. Removing  messenger duties and travel issues feels perfectly right for heroes who  are up to save entire continents from dragon invasions and the like. But  bt,  I honestly wonder how this could turn out to be a balance issue.</blockquote>

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