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[RL History] Why is the longbow better than the shortbow?
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<blockquote data-quote="TheAuldGrump" data-source="post: 1166309" data-attributes="member: 6957"><p>Oh, come on? You think <em>Braveheart</em> was inaccurate simply because they left out the darned bridge? <em>Braveheart</em> was wrong on so many more levels than that it's scary!</p><p></p><p>(Being in truth more about Normans fighting Normans for Norman reasons...)</p><p></p><p>I liked the movie, but historically accurate it most assuredly was not.</p><p></p><p>And yes, I didn't mention that the English won Agincourt, I figured that people would click the link provided.</p><p></p><p>And I will grant that the English didn't so much win Agincourt as the French lost it. (One of my favorite really stupid battles. At others the French pulled such wonders as riding over their own mercenaries to get to the front, and charge their knights into forests... Not good choices.)</p><p></p><p>The draw on a longbow is almost three feet, the draw on a shortbow around 2, combined with the greater draw the clothyard shaft had amazing penetration, especially with bodkin points, long narrow points of about the same thickness as the shaft with either a round, square, or triangular cross section rather than the traditional broad point, designed to penetrate armor. </p><p></p><p>Some of the tests shown on the history channel were, umm, biased. The thick armor they tested against was similar to jousting armor, meant to be worn for short periods of time and on horseback. Armor for any who were actually likely to see fighting were generally thinner. (Though the armors worn by Henry VIII are amusing as they go from stripling yout, to something resembling a pot bellied stove with legs... Iron armor that scalds with safety indeed.) As for the effect on chain mail, well... what armor?</p><p></p><p>The Auld Grump</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheAuldGrump, post: 1166309, member: 6957"] Oh, come on? You think [i]Braveheart[/i] was inaccurate simply because they left out the darned bridge? [i]Braveheart[/i] was wrong on so many more levels than that it's scary! (Being in truth more about Normans fighting Normans for Norman reasons...) I liked the movie, but historically accurate it most assuredly was not. And yes, I didn't mention that the English won Agincourt, I figured that people would click the link provided. And I will grant that the English didn't so much win Agincourt as the French lost it. (One of my favorite really stupid battles. At others the French pulled such wonders as riding over their own mercenaries to get to the front, and charge their knights into forests... Not good choices.) The draw on a longbow is almost three feet, the draw on a shortbow around 2, combined with the greater draw the clothyard shaft had amazing penetration, especially with bodkin points, long narrow points of about the same thickness as the shaft with either a round, square, or triangular cross section rather than the traditional broad point, designed to penetrate armor. Some of the tests shown on the history channel were, umm, biased. The thick armor they tested against was similar to jousting armor, meant to be worn for short periods of time and on horseback. Armor for any who were actually likely to see fighting were generally thinner. (Though the armors worn by Henry VIII are amusing as they go from stripling yout, to something resembling a pot bellied stove with legs... Iron armor that scalds with safety indeed.) As for the effect on chain mail, well... what armor? The Auld Grump [/QUOTE]
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