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<blockquote data-quote="Doug McCrae" data-source="post: 5890435" data-attributes="member: 21169">Personally, I find 4e's standard/move/minor (and 3e's standard/move/swift) to be too fiddly, and I'd prefer standard/move, or even just standard. If you're playing without the grid you don't really need a move action. Just make sure everyone (yes, even fighters) have a number of interesting, equally viable, options to spend their standard on, and you will have good tactical gaming.I dislike the idea of extra attacks as a free action, I prefer the idea of a skilled combatant's single attack being bigger. Either it can affect multiple targets, or do more damage to one target, but you're still just making one attack. Everyone who is any good at fighting basically has great cleave.However, I like immediate reactions such as opportunity attacks and other ways to react to an opponent, like a defender-type interposing his shield between a monster's attack and a squishy wizard. Admittedly, reactions do slow the game down, but I think they're worth it. Move and minor are just too boring and trivial to be worth the brainspace, imo.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Doug McCrae, post: 5890435, member: 21169"] Personally, I find 4e's standard/move/minor (and 3e's standard/move/swift) to be too fiddly, and I'd prefer standard/move, or even just standard. If you're playing without the grid you don't really need a move action. Just make sure everyone (yes, even fighters) have a number of interesting, equally viable, options to spend their standard on, and you will have good tactical gaming. I dislike the idea of extra attacks as a free action, I prefer the idea of a skilled combatant's single attack being bigger. Either it can affect multiple targets, or do more damage to one target, but you're still just making one attack. Everyone who is any good at fighting basically has great cleave. However, I like immediate reactions such as opportunity attacks and other ways to react to an opponent, like a defender-type interposing his shield between a monster's attack and a squishy wizard. Admittedly, reactions do slow the game down, but I think they're worth it. Move and minor are just too boring and trivial to be worth the brainspace, imo. [/QUOTE]

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