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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tovec" data-source="post: 5916171" data-attributes="member: 95493">Agree with who?Ultimately I never had troubles creating my straightforward (basic) character in 3.5. This have gotten more complicated in PF because of the achetypes but that is a level of complexity I really can just ignore if it doesn't suit me, or adopt if I like it. It isn't like what Ratskinner is suggesting (which I happen to agree with) that there will be 20 options to fill out for a simple and a complex character, just the simple character will have the list already assembled.If anyone wants to know why I dislike this so much, take a look what's happening here: <a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/new-horizons-upcoming-edition-d-d/323449-chivalrous-compromise-paladin.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/new-horizons-upcoming-edition-d-d/323449-chivalrous-compromise-paladin.html</a>The discussion started with what a paladin could be in 5e and quickly slipped into discussing different backgrounds and themes. I fear that no matter what ALL conversations will have this in 5e. People will come to boards asking for help making a character and people will ask what backgrounds and themes (or from which books) they are allowed to select. It can either be part of the game, which can be cut out, or added to the game to enrich it. Either way people can come up with a system they want. However, one way is more optional.Compare this once again to psionics in 3.5. It was in its own book and had all the mechanics needed to incorporate it into a game. It was beautiful in that way that it was added on, not subtracted, to the base game. If you didn't want the added complication of psionics then you ignored the book. If you DID want them then allow the book and everything is peachy. This is more how I would like to see themes, traits, backgrounds, and to a lesser extent things like alignment and other more classic elements, introduced into 5e. What I am seeing however is that it won't be. It seems to be "pick from these lists" and if you don't like that system then cut it out. That method didn't work for me for 4e's HS/SW mechanics it will likely not work for me in 5e.</blockquote>

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