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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Rob Kuntz" data-source="post: 7801478" data-attributes="member: 7015759">Okay.  Just got back from the kitchen whereat I had some watermelon prepared by the Mrs.Technically, no.  But I felt that it was slanted and the tone was off, sculpted; and later learned that Cecilia is not pro-Gygax.  Now I am not passing on my quotes because of that.  Yes.  Gary, IMO, was jealous.  He was also jealous of MAR Barker's EPT, and I have my own personal face-to-face observations for that as Gary and I copy-edited it before print.  Also that first Blackmoor session we experienced in Nov 1972 (which I wrote about in Wargames #1 by FGU, "History of D&D:  Past, Present and Future) could not have happened without a system already in place (which had been constructed by Arneson 1 1/2 years previously and was still being iterated (as an infinite system) by him and his group.  You cannot play a full game from village, to castle to outdoor in Blackmoor--which is what the 4 of us did that night--without a system, whether verbally transmitted (as with PLAY by example) and/or partially retained as reminders (as in Arneson's notes of what he was already using as rule guideposts or as concrete go-to rules) which were then constantly being amended and changed per Arenson's complex way of ordering, constraining and disseminating information.  This is, in fact, what we found out in the playtests from our end--the exact same way of ordering, rejecting information, or using it in some other applied manner, the same way that Arneson grew his rules, Gary with his preferred mechanics grew D&D.I have always felt, from day one, that Gary was not very appreciative of what Arneson had done as a designer, and there were two, in retrospect, indicators of that starting the very day after that session in Nov 1972.  Note that I am more neutral regarding that; If asked I give my impressions and information.  If I had had an axe to grind I would had been doing that for years beforehand, but I am not going to shy away from the truth as I know or perceive of them if I am asked a question.  Frankness in this case is being misread as brazenness.Please follow up for clarification on anything I have raised here, including why I hold some positions as "truths".</blockquote>

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