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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cyronax" data-source="post: 4113023" data-attributes="member: 822">This is fine and good though .. to a point. Taken to the extreme, I can see players just rambling off ideas until one strikes home with the DM. We're arguing the same thing IMO. Its appropriateness vs. frequency of idea. Player creativity is great in most cases, but if its just a way to half-ass any given problem ..... where's the fun for all sides?The discussion isn't about PC buy-in, but their ability to control the setting. What's wrong with the DM saying that 'I'm sorry but this city doesn't have a sewer system.' Many of the settlements in campaigns I've run and played in were too poor or medieval too actually have such an accomplishment. In an example aside from sewers, I still say why do players get to decide vast details like this? I want assurances that the DM still has final say (and in a way that won't create built-in strife for 4e) before I wholeheartedly switch. C.I.D.</blockquote>