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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chun-tzu" data-source="post: 818067" data-attributes="member: 1441">Gez: Look up. ! did it first in this thread. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> Bret's right, about a couple things. You can build a 16th level Calishite fire Sorcerer like this:Sorcerer 1Feats: Empower Spell, Bloodline of FireSkills: Knowledge: Arcana 4 ranks, Knowledge: The Planes 2 ranksNotes: Empower Spell is useless at 1st level, since even an empowered cantrip is a 2nd-level spell. But it's perfectly legal, needed as a prereq for Cooperative Spell, and the best metamagic feat for a fire mage.Sorcerer 3Feats: Cooperative Spell.Skills: Continue maxing out Knowledge Arcana (6 ranks) and the Planes (3 ranks). Notes: Cooperative Spell is needed to get Mage of the Arcane Order.Sorcerer 5Skills: Knowledge: Arcana 8 ranks, Knowledge: The Planes 4 ranks.Notes: All prerequisites met for Mage of the Arcane Order.Sorcerer 5/Mage of the Arcane Order 1Feats: Energy Substitution: FireSkills: Knowledge: The Planes 8 ranksSpells: You need to have 3 fire spells and 1 summon spell to qualify for Elemental Savant.Notes: To gain the 4 ranks in Knowledge: The Planes, you need an Int of 14+.From here, you take 10 levels of Elemental Savant. You only gain 3 more feats, so you still have to choose from:Calishite ElementalistGenie LoreSpell ThematicsSpell Focus: Evocation, Greater Spell Focus: EvocationSpell Penetration, Greater Spell PenetrationAll in all, a pretty good fire mage.But not the best.A min-maxed Thayan Red Wizard Evoker who takes the Red Wizard prestige class is going to have more potent fire magics (Spell Power +5). Throw in Spellcasting Prodigy and aim for the Archmage.</blockquote>

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