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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Evilhalfling" data-source="post: 4073911" data-attributes="member: 16991">I am more interested in what we should be able to do. Dread Pirate RobertsEssencials: Master swordsman, improved grapple.  skills climb, bluff, jump/tumble, move silently.Attributes high Int, Chr, Dex, Con,  no dump stat. AliasJennifer Gardner   Master of disguise, bluff, good with locks, traps, slieght of hand, and diplomacy. (dex based) unarmed combat and long range weapons. Arvin Sloan Charismatic, intelligent, poor con & strength. Epic Bluff, Sense Motive, Diplomacy, Decifer Script, lots of int based skills. no fighting ability. Song of Ice and FireAyna Stark - sneak and stab, exclusively, good disguise skill Littlefinger - Charismatic rogue.  Tyrion - int based rogue? he even uses suprise attacks whenever possible, and is regulary beaten in stand up fights. Myth AdventuresSkeeve's chief attribute is lack of self confidence.  Yet he inspires loyalty and devotion in people that get to know him.  His first impression is uniformily bad, unless his reputation gets ahead of him, or he is very specifically attempting a bluff.  I don't think his charisma is well represented by D&D.I think we need at least four archtypes: Assassin (stealth based, all attacks are from suprise) Swashbuckler (dex based light armored fighter) Con-man (Charisma based, avoids fights, good line of patter, and disguises) -  Int based rogue? (elaborate plans, good information, trickery and disguises) possible CHR subtype? Thug   (Strength based) slimy, double dealing, prone to physical violence, may be stupid. Rarely used as hero - Riddick in the first movie (only) may be an exception.Con-man/swashbukler is a very common cross, probably THE Archtype hero-rogue, but the they are seen seperately as well.</blockquote>

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