Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
rogue-bladesinger?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Benjamin Olson" data-source="post: 8173378" data-attributes="member: 6988941"><p>Rogue Bladesingers are awesome, and I'll evangelize for them any day. It's one of the few multiclasses that doesn't have a bunch of waiting to come online levels, and almost any split you do works. I particularly love Arcane Trickster-Bladesinger because it solves my problems with both those subclasses (AT just doesn't get enough spell slots and variety soon enough, a couple Wizard levels fixes that right up, and Bladesinger just doesn't have enough incentive to be in melee, even a little sneak attack and easy disengaging after booming blade up their melee damage considerably). </p><p></p><p>Also can't recommend Shadow Blade enough for such builds. Advantage in dim light and darkness is the most Rogue friendly weapon you can possibly find, and one of the most satisfying spells to upcast which, since you'll often have higher level slots than you have spells with the multiclass, is pretty damned awesome. Even if your DM won't play ball on using it with the SCAG cantrips after the Tashas rewrites it is still a mandatory part of a melee Rogue/Wizard's toolkit as soon as you can pick it up. </p><p></p><p>You might consider going custom lineage rather than variant human so that you can pick up darkvision. Being a Rogue without darkvision often sucks under any circumstance, and once you pick up Shadow Blade it will be especially painful to not be able to</p><p></p><p>The only issue I've had playing my AT/Bladesinger is that it has really serious bonus action demand. Between Bladesong, Shadowblade, Cunning Actions, and other bonus action spells, you have some really tough calls to make on how to spend the bonus action, and may find yourself getting surprisingly far into combat without actually getting around to activating your Bladesong (which is fine because you can cast Shield). Probably worth considering before committing to a feat for Hex, yet another bonus action hog. But it sounds like you might have your heart set on that. On the bright side you'll probably never once waste your bonus action.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Personally with those stats I would consider putting off Rogue level 4 until a little later. If you had a 16 or less Dex it would be one thing, but at 18 you have good enough Dex to put off the ASI, and Wizard 3 unlocks the whole world of 2nd level magic that Arcane Tricksters usually have to wait for level 7 for. A familiar will likely be giving you advantage most turns so you'll usually still hit, and between the Bladesong and Shield your AC is insane even without maxed Dex. What ups your Rogue skills more, an additional +1 to stealth rolls or a spell that lets you BE INVISIBLE? But obviously you can feel things out as you go</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Benjamin Olson, post: 8173378, member: 6988941"] Rogue Bladesingers are awesome, and I'll evangelize for them any day. It's one of the few multiclasses that doesn't have a bunch of waiting to come online levels, and almost any split you do works. I particularly love Arcane Trickster-Bladesinger because it solves my problems with both those subclasses (AT just doesn't get enough spell slots and variety soon enough, a couple Wizard levels fixes that right up, and Bladesinger just doesn't have enough incentive to be in melee, even a little sneak attack and easy disengaging after booming blade up their melee damage considerably). Also can't recommend Shadow Blade enough for such builds. Advantage in dim light and darkness is the most Rogue friendly weapon you can possibly find, and one of the most satisfying spells to upcast which, since you'll often have higher level slots than you have spells with the multiclass, is pretty damned awesome. Even if your DM won't play ball on using it with the SCAG cantrips after the Tashas rewrites it is still a mandatory part of a melee Rogue/Wizard's toolkit as soon as you can pick it up. You might consider going custom lineage rather than variant human so that you can pick up darkvision. Being a Rogue without darkvision often sucks under any circumstance, and once you pick up Shadow Blade it will be especially painful to not be able to The only issue I've had playing my AT/Bladesinger is that it has really serious bonus action demand. Between Bladesong, Shadowblade, Cunning Actions, and other bonus action spells, you have some really tough calls to make on how to spend the bonus action, and may find yourself getting surprisingly far into combat without actually getting around to activating your Bladesong (which is fine because you can cast Shield). Probably worth considering before committing to a feat for Hex, yet another bonus action hog. But it sounds like you might have your heart set on that. On the bright side you'll probably never once waste your bonus action. Personally with those stats I would consider putting off Rogue level 4 until a little later. If you had a 16 or less Dex it would be one thing, but at 18 you have good enough Dex to put off the ASI, and Wizard 3 unlocks the whole world of 2nd level magic that Arcane Tricksters usually have to wait for level 7 for. A familiar will likely be giving you advantage most turns so you'll usually still hit, and between the Bladesong and Shield your AC is insane even without maxed Dex. What ups your Rogue skills more, an additional +1 to stealth rolls or a spell that lets you BE INVISIBLE? But obviously you can feel things out as you go [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
rogue-bladesinger?
Top