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<blockquote data-quote="auburn2" data-source="post: 8173448" data-attributes="member: 6855259">I have never played this multiclass, but I never hang back with a single class bladesinger.&nbsp; If you are doing that you are playing the subclass wrong IMO and your AC needs to be above 22 with shield and bladesong active at low levels to do it well.&nbsp; Having fewer spell slots for shield might change that a bit though and this character will be a little softer than a single-class mage.Regarding damage I think this is better than you might think with this multiclass - assuming you land sneak attack, damage without shadow blade at 10th level is 30.5DPR to one enemy and 7.5DPR to another within 5 feet: 2d8(rapier twice) + 1d8(GFB) + 2d6(SA) + 10(Dex) plus another 1d8+3(GFB) to the second enemy.&nbsp; 38 points a turn is not that bad and that is without using any limited use abilities or a -5 to hit.&nbsp;&nbsp; If you use shadow blade that would be 35 against&nbsp; one enemy or 44 if you use a 3rd/4th level slot.&nbsp; There are lots of other variations too; shadow blade with short sword GFB - 34 to one enemy, 7.5 to a second.&nbsp; With shadow blade there is another 3.5 on the table for a BA offhand attack too (although there are lots of other BA options).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="auburn2, post: 8173448, member: 6855259"] I have never played this multiclass, but I never hang back with a single class bladesinger. If you are doing that you are playing the subclass wrong IMO and your AC needs to be above 22 with shield and bladesong active at low levels to do it well. Having fewer spell slots for shield might change that a bit though and this character will be a little softer than a single-class mage. Regarding damage I think this is better than you might think with this multiclass - assuming you land sneak attack, damage without shadow blade at 10th level is 30.5DPR to one enemy and 7.5DPR to another within 5 feet: 2d8(rapier twice) + 1d8(GFB) + 2d6(SA) + 10(Dex) plus another 1d8+3(GFB) to the second enemy. 38 points a turn is not that bad and that is without using any limited use abilities or a -5 to hit. If you use shadow blade that would be 35 against one enemy or 44 if you use a 3rd/4th level slot. There are lots of other variations too; shadow blade with short sword GFB - 34 to one enemy, 7.5 to a second. With shadow blade there is another 3.5 on the table for a BA offhand attack too (although there are lots of other BA options). [/QUOTE]

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