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[Rogue] Daggermaster vs Shadow Assassin
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<blockquote data-quote="James McMurray" data-source="post: 4530529" data-attributes="member: 743"><p>Shadow Assassin's Action is clearly better than Daggermaster's action, as the SA still lets you take your AP action and grants +4 to any attacks you make, not just a reroll on one (which averages to ~+4).</p><p></p><p>Precision is far and away better than riposte, at least until you're epic and can get a permanent 19-20. As a squishy rogue you're better off trying to avoid situations where they can hit you.</p><p></p><p>Dagger Advantage is only slightly better than a feat, while Bloody Evisceration is extra damage for about half of every fight.</p><p></p><p>Killer's Eye and Critical Opportunity are a wash IMO. They both have prereqs that are often hard to meet. </p><p></p><p>Meditiation of the Blade has to be activated and is a stance, so can't be coupled with other stances. It does an average of +1 damage per die, which means it'll take ~2-4 attacks for it to deal the same damage as your riposte. Overall it'll deal more damage in the fight, but it can't make an attack a near auto-miss. Advantage: Bad Idea.</p><p></p><p>I prefer Deep Dagger Wound to Final Blow, but it's close. Final Blow requires a bloody target, but makes up for it by targetting Reflex and doing an extra [W]. It's the ongoing 10 or 20 that I like about the deep dagger wound. That'll definitely make up for an extra [W], and then some if you crit and/or they fail a save or two.</p><p></p><p>Overall it's a wash. If I make a paragon level rogue and have to pick one or the other, I'll probably go with Shadow Assassin, but only because we're already had a daggermaster in our group.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="James McMurray, post: 4530529, member: 743"] Shadow Assassin's Action is clearly better than Daggermaster's action, as the SA still lets you take your AP action and grants +4 to any attacks you make, not just a reroll on one (which averages to ~+4). Precision is far and away better than riposte, at least until you're epic and can get a permanent 19-20. As a squishy rogue you're better off trying to avoid situations where they can hit you. Dagger Advantage is only slightly better than a feat, while Bloody Evisceration is extra damage for about half of every fight. Killer's Eye and Critical Opportunity are a wash IMO. They both have prereqs that are often hard to meet. Meditiation of the Blade has to be activated and is a stance, so can't be coupled with other stances. It does an average of +1 damage per die, which means it'll take ~2-4 attacks for it to deal the same damage as your riposte. Overall it'll deal more damage in the fight, but it can't make an attack a near auto-miss. Advantage: Bad Idea. I prefer Deep Dagger Wound to Final Blow, but it's close. Final Blow requires a bloody target, but makes up for it by targetting Reflex and doing an extra [W]. It's the ongoing 10 or 20 that I like about the deep dagger wound. That'll definitely make up for an extra [W], and then some if you crit and/or they fail a save or two. Overall it's a wash. If I make a paragon level rogue and have to pick one or the other, I'll probably go with Shadow Assassin, but only because we're already had a daggermaster in our group. [/QUOTE]
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