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Message: <blockquote data-quote="infax" data-source="post: 5903587" data-attributes="member: 12784">I certainly agree that any of the example tactics I presented previously depend on a number of factors. Among them, I assumed the rogue was in a position to be a skirmisher. If he has a team contributing to the overall combat it certainly helps. If the GM has a interest in letting the rogue play his part it helps too.If enemies are better archers than the rogue and do not have to move away from a wall, the rogue may go away, wait until later, approach, deliver a surprise volley and sneak away again, slowly killing his unmoving targets. Or not. I guess trading tactics and counter-tactics only go so far on an internet forum. I will suggest that we agree that most simplistic tactics can be worked around with sufficient thought and a group (players and GM) willing to make things work. If you disagree, I'm willing to keep debating.I may be biased in that I have, mostly, played with reasonable GMs and reasonable groups with an interest in having everyone having fun. The game world is supposed to be consistent, but if a standard tactic requiring little or no thought makes a class ability useless, the group brainstormed to find an alternative either to the tactic or to the class ability.On that, I agree. I am not stating - not at all, really - that 2e rogue was a better class than 3e or 4e rogue. It was very much worse for what I want out of an RPG. What I am stating is that Sneak Attack was not a good alternative. It was too reliant and model the sneaky assassin very well. Maybe it modeled the acrobatic fighter, but that was not how I was used to thinking about the "Thief" and the Rogue came as a replaced of the Thief.FWIW, I seem to remember AD&D 2e backstab was a multiplier to the thief's damage. It was x2 at first level and rose at some rate that I can't recall up to x10 at high levels (20th level?).</blockquote>

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