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<blockquote data-quote="Quip" data-source="post: 456963" data-attributes="member: 3816">Been looking into it, and it seems theres a couple points that haven't been made:The skills that are stated as being unavailable to a raging barbarian are craft, handle animal, and intuit direction. Besides not having direct combat applications, another thing these have in common is the length of time needed to use them. Even the quickest of these, intuit direction, takes a minimum of 1 minute to use. So it could be that &quot;patience and concentration&quot; just means skills that take a while to perform. So that rules out the normal applications of bluff and sense motive, but not in regards to feints. The Gladiator from Sword and Fist is very much a barbarian-esque PrC, which also happens to have a bluff as a class skill. Not only that, but the first ability you get is improved feint, which is described as &quot;sneaky tactics such as kicking dirt in a foes face&quot;. Its not evidence per se, but its alot easier to imagine a feinting barbarian acting in such a way.As for applying a penalty to skills while raging, note that raging in no way impairs their ability to notice that the flowers are in bloom (Wilderness Lore). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> &quot;You... just stepped... on my... PETUNIAS! DIE!!!&quot; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Quip, post: 456963, member: 3816"] Been looking into it, and it seems theres a couple points that haven't been made: The skills that are stated as being unavailable to a raging barbarian are craft, handle animal, and intuit direction. Besides not having direct combat applications, another thing these have in common is the length of time needed to use them. Even the quickest of these, intuit direction, takes a minimum of 1 minute to use. So it could be that "patience and concentration" just means skills that take a while to perform. So that rules out the normal applications of bluff and sense motive, but not in regards to feints. The Gladiator from Sword and Fist is very much a barbarian-esque PrC, which also happens to have a bluff as a class skill. Not only that, but the first ability you get is improved feint, which is described as "sneaky tactics such as kicking dirt in a foes face". Its not evidence per se, but its alot easier to imagine a feinting barbarian acting in such a way. As for applying a penalty to skills while raging, note that raging in no way impairs their ability to notice that the flowers are in bloom (Wilderness Lore). :) "You... just stepped... on my... PETUNIAS! DIE!!!" :D [/QUOTE]

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