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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 7977422" data-attributes="member: 18">Those are both really not good rulings from a RAW/RAI perspective. I mean, obviously, your game, your rules, but the first doesn't even resemble 5E's rules, and the second, whilst not as far from them, does go off a basic misunderstanding (one that has been discussed).1) - Just straight up made-up rules with no basis. A Druid couldn't wildshape his familiar into a bear (obviously!), but he could definitely wildshape himself into a bear, whilst viewing through his familiar (not sure why you're using this word &quot;possessing&quot; - this isn't what's happening). You don't &quot;become&quot; the familiar. It isn't wildshape or polymorph or something. You merely view/listen through it. You're blind/deaf from your body like you've put on a VR helmet, not &quot;possessing&quot; the familiar. You still have proprioception (particularly important here), touch, smell, taste, heat/vibration/etc. and so on.The actual rules, for reference:&quot;While your familiar is within 100 feet of you, you can communicate with it telepathically. Additionally, as an action, you can see through your familiar's eyes and hear what it hears until the start of your next turn, gaining the benefits of any <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Special" target="_blank">Special</a> <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Monsters#h-Senses" target="_blank">Senses</a> that the familiar has. During this time, you are deaf and blind with regard to your own <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Monsters#h-Senses" target="_blank">Senses</a>.&quot;Note that it is an action to do this, so you can only move and do things that are a bonus action/reaction/free action/no action. So that's what would stop you doing Wildshape, unless you somehow had two actions, not anything else.2) An Echo isn't a creature, so no it isn't an &quot;adjacent ally&quot; for anyone and you're not going off RAW and it's questionable if it's RAI for the rest, so...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 7977422, member: 18"] Those are both really[I] not good[/I] rulings from a RAW/RAI perspective. I mean, obviously, your game, your rules, but the first doesn't even resemble 5E's rules, and the second, whilst not as far from them, does go off a basic misunderstanding (one that has been discussed). 1) - Just straight up [I]made-up rules with no basis[/I]. A Druid couldn't wildshape his [I]familiar[/I] into a bear (obviously!), but he could definitely wildshape [I]himself[/I] into a bear, whilst viewing through his familiar (not sure why you're using this word "possessing" - this isn't what's happening). You don't "become" the familiar. It isn't wildshape or polymorph or something. You merely view/listen through it. You're blind/deaf from your body like you've put on a VR helmet, not "possessing" the familiar. You still have proprioception (particularly important here), touch, smell, taste, heat/vibration/etc. and so on. The actual rules, for reference: "While your familiar is within 100 feet of you, you can communicate with it telepathically. Additionally, as an action, you can see through your familiar's eyes and hear what it hears until the start of your next turn, gaining the benefits of any [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Weapons#h-Special']Special[/URL] [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Monsters#h-Senses']Senses[/URL] that the familiar has. During this time, you are deaf and blind with regard to your own [URL='https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Monsters#h-Senses']Senses[/URL]." Note that it is an action to do this, so you can only move and do things that are a bonus action/reaction/free action/no action. So that's what would stop you doing Wildshape, unless you somehow had two actions, not anything else. 2) An Echo isn't a creature, so no it isn't an "adjacent ally" for anyone and you're not going off RAW and it's questionable if it's RAI for the rest, so... [/QUOTE]

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