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<blockquote data-quote="Todd Roybark" data-source="post: 7977937" data-attributes="member: 6920677">In practical terms you are asking for a semi-solid, grayscale, Tupac Shakur hologram, that used to be at the Coachella Festival, be ruled as Hidden, despite the fact the hologram is standing right in front of it’s target, stabbing with a rapier.A clearly visible drone in Afghanistan, should not count as Hidden, just because you cannot see the operator in another part of the world.Even if the operator is a halfling, doesn’t change the visible fact that the point of delivery of the attack is quite visible.Now if both the Echo and the Halfling Echo Knight were Hidden, (say the Echo was in an area of the Darkness spell, and the halfling was Hidden, outside the Darkness effect), my ruling would be the attack gets Advantage.By RAW an 7th level Echo Knight of ANY race, under the effect of an Greater Invisibility spell, would have advantage on any attack that used the Echo Avatar as the point of delivery....even if the completely visible Echo was 1000 feet away.&nbsp; &nbsp; strains credulityBack to the original post, the Assassin subclass could work well with Echo Knight.Careful use of the Echo means one can use the Echo and Unleash Incarnation to get attacks on Surprised creatures, and creatures that have not gone yet in combat, (and thus get Advantage).Alas, you would not get Death Strike, but Assassinate and Unleash Incarnation, would be scary and effective.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Todd Roybark, post: 7977937, member: 6920677"] In practical terms you are asking for a semi-solid, grayscale, Tupac Shakur hologram, that used to be at the Coachella Festival, be ruled as [I]Hidden[/I], despite the fact the hologram is standing right in front of it’s target, stabbing with a rapier. A clearly visible drone in Afghanistan, should not count as [I]Hidden[/I], just because you cannot see the operator in another part of the world. Even if the operator is a halfling, doesn’t change the visible fact that the point of delivery of the attack is [I]quite[/I] visible. Now if both the Echo and the Halfling Echo Knight were Hidden, (say the Echo was in an area of the Darkness spell, and the halfling was Hidden, outside the Darkness effect), my ruling would be the attack gets Advantage. By RAW an 7th level Echo Knight of [I]ANY[/I] race, under the effect of an Greater Invisibility spell, would have advantage on any attack that used the Echo Avatar as the point of delivery....even if the completely [I]visible[/I] Echo was 1000 feet away. [I]strains credulity[/I] Back to the original post, the Assassin subclass could work well with Echo Knight. Careful use of the Echo means one can use the Echo and Unleash Incarnation to get attacks on Surprised creatures, and creatures that have not gone yet in combat, (and thus get Advantage). Alas, you would not get Death Strike, but Assassinate and Unleash Incarnation, would be scary and effective. [/QUOTE]

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