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<blockquote data-quote="TwoSix" data-source="post: 7683000" data-attributes="member: 205">I agree, he's quite useful as a 12th level character.&nbsp; 12th level characters are usually pretty awesome.&nbsp; A large amount of games don't get to 12th level. As a design point in 5e, classes should have their identifying feature by 3rd level.&nbsp; Rage, Inspiration, Action Surge, Maneuvers, Spellcasting, Wild Shape, Sneak Attack, Animal Companion, Sorcery Points, Invocations, Smites, School Specializations.&nbsp; All by 3rd level.&nbsp; Everything you gain afterwards are upgrades to these basic abilities.&nbsp; The warlord class (not a build that mimics the warlord) needs its defining feature by 3rd level.&nbsp; Many people say that a Fighter/Cleric is analogous to a Paladin, and thus a Paladin class is not needed.&nbsp; Other people require a Paladin class.Many people say that a Fighter/Bard is analogous to a Warlord, and thus a Warlord class is not needed.&nbsp; Other people require a Warlord class.ANDDD I'm done talking about Warlords in the Mastermind thread.&nbsp; This is getting ridiculous.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwoSix, post: 7683000, member: 205"] I agree, he's quite useful as a 12th level character. 12th level characters are usually pretty awesome. A large amount of games don't get to 12th level. As a design point in 5e, classes should have their identifying feature by 3rd level. Rage, Inspiration, Action Surge, Maneuvers, Spellcasting, Wild Shape, Sneak Attack, Animal Companion, Sorcery Points, Invocations, Smites, School Specializations. All by 3rd level. Everything you gain afterwards are upgrades to these basic abilities. The warlord class (not a build that mimics the warlord) needs its defining feature by 3rd level. Many people say that a Fighter/Cleric is analogous to a Paladin, and thus a Paladin class is not needed. Other people require a Paladin class. Many people say that a Fighter/Bard is analogous to a Warlord, and thus a Warlord class is not needed. Other people require a Warlord class. ANDDD I'm done talking about Warlords in the Mastermind thread. This is getting ridiculous. [/QUOTE]

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