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Rogue/Paladin - so, when can I Bluff?
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<blockquote data-quote="Arkhandus" data-source="post: 3675388" data-attributes="member: 13966"><p>Just can't lie or cheat. And have to 'respect legitimate authority'.</p><p></p><p>For reference, the 'feint in combat' and 'create a diversion to hide' options for Bluffing are useable by paladins, as long as you don't incorporate a lie with the Bluff. Such tactics are not dishonorable (unless you're doing something like kicking sand in someone's face or lying), so they don't violate the paladin's code.</p><p></p><p>I'm fairly sure all of the Bluff examples in the Player's Handbook (where it mentions DC modifiers based on the extremeness of the bluff) would make you an ex-paladin (due to being lies), except for the example of someone just bluffing that he could take on all the orcs at once without help.</p><p></p><p>And you have to be sure that whatever you're bluffing about doesn't cause any evil, or lead others to commit evil (no bluffing to convince someone that an innocent person is the culprit, for instance, even if you're not directly saying it but only kind of inferring it strongly; saying it directly would be lying and thus lead to ex-paladinship, but since even just leading others to come to the conclusion themselves would cause evil (the innocent person being harmed, maimed, imprisoned, or executed for whatever happened), that too would lead to ex-paladinship).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Arkhandus, post: 3675388, member: 13966"] Just can't lie or cheat. And have to 'respect legitimate authority'. For reference, the 'feint in combat' and 'create a diversion to hide' options for Bluffing are useable by paladins, as long as you don't incorporate a lie with the Bluff. Such tactics are not dishonorable (unless you're doing something like kicking sand in someone's face or lying), so they don't violate the paladin's code. I'm fairly sure all of the Bluff examples in the Player's Handbook (where it mentions DC modifiers based on the extremeness of the bluff) would make you an ex-paladin (due to being lies), except for the example of someone just bluffing that he could take on all the orcs at once without help. And you have to be sure that whatever you're bluffing about doesn't cause any evil, or lead others to commit evil (no bluffing to convince someone that an innocent person is the culprit, for instance, even if you're not directly saying it but only kind of inferring it strongly; saying it directly would be lying and thus lead to ex-paladinship, but since even just leading others to come to the conclusion themselves would cause evil (the innocent person being harmed, maimed, imprisoned, or executed for whatever happened), that too would lead to ex-paladinship). [/QUOTE]
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