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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5345533" data-attributes="member: 71571">I remember that being a very long and stupid argument that somehow insisted that the rules did not apply.  My basic assertion is that if an ability says 'When you attack an enemy you have combat advantage against, and you hit' that it checks when you attack an enemy.  As well... 2) is actually 'when you attack an enemy with combat advantage'.  You did not have combat advantage when you attacked the enemy.  Ergo, you've failed 2.3) involves hitting that enemy.  You did not hit that enemy when it had combat advantage.Number five doesn't allow you to go back in time and change 2 and 3.  If you failed 2 and 3, it doesn't matter if 5 happens immediately, after damage, after the next turn, or on your next adventure.  2 and 3 did not occur.  Sneak attack damage does not happen.  You've failed the requirements.If you had the ability to switch weapons as a free action... does that mean you can use a longsword to attack, and a dagger to check for sneak attack viability?  No.</blockquote>It does not say that, nor is it a test for eligability.  Stuff that happens between 1,2, and 3 do not have the ability to change those steps for when the ability is activated.  If you fail those steps, you never get the ability to turn on sneak attack no matter how many free actions or riders you use to make sneak attack happen.This is why abilities that allow you to use sneak attack without combat advantage actually tell you to do so.You apply the damage after the damage roll.  It requires eligibility requirements based on the attack roll, what weapon you used with the power, and if you hit, all of which occur before the damage roll.  The two are not the same thing.  If I tell you 'If you've done your homework, put away your dishes, AND your room is clean at five o'clock today, you'll get 40 extra dollars with your allowance tomorrow' and your room is not clean at that time, then you're not getting that 40 dollars even if your room is clean at allowance time.Of course you get to apply the damage after the roll.  But that is not what is in question.  It's the terms of eligibility to determine if you are allowed to apply that damage.  It checks for:  The right weapon, did you attack an enemy with combat advantage, and did you hit that enemy.  If I attack you without combat advantage, then even if I knock you prone during that attack, I did not actually attack you with combat advantage.  Thusly, the opportunity to apply sneak attack damage never occurs, no matter when it says you can do so.[/QUOTE]

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