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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4231260" data-attributes="member: 40961">Re: Sneak attacking with a sap.You don't need to be able to do this.In the thread for people who viewed the PHB, someone mentions reading a high level (I believe it was level 15) rogue power where the rogue jumps onto the back of a target, and garrotes it over the course of several rounds.Does the fact that the rogue can't sneak attack with a garrote make this less cool?&nbsp; Of course not.The in-game thing that sneak attack describes in 3e was attacking someone with anatomical precision while they're at a disadvantage.&nbsp; Hence, you could do it with any weapon, but only against enemies that had anatomies.&nbsp; It was basically the only way to beat up a disadvantaged foe, so it had to be pretty versatile.&nbsp; So you could do it with any weapon you wanted, and it covered a lot of situations.4e is different, thanks to the powers system.&nbsp; The game now has the potential for many different ways you can beat up a disadvantaged foe.&nbsp; I'll bet an internet cookie that powers exist which widen the &quot;beat up a disadvantaged foe&quot; niche, and add specific types and methods for beating up disadvantaged foes.&nbsp; I bet there are powers that let you beat up bloodied foes more effectively, powers that let you do particularly mean things to enemies which grant you combat advantage, and powers that let you do unusual attacks with unusual weapons.If there's no &quot;knock him in the head with a sap&quot; power in the PHB, I predict that there will be eventually.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4231260, member: 40961"] Re: Sneak attacking with a sap. You don't need to be able to do this. In the thread for people who viewed the PHB, someone mentions reading a high level (I believe it was level 15) rogue power where the rogue jumps onto the back of a target, and garrotes it over the course of several rounds. Does the fact that the rogue can't sneak attack with a garrote make this less cool? Of course not. The in-game thing that sneak attack describes in 3e was attacking someone with anatomical precision while they're at a disadvantage. Hence, you could do it with any weapon, but only against enemies that had anatomies. It was basically the only way to beat up a disadvantaged foe, so it had to be pretty versatile. So you could do it with any weapon you wanted, and it covered a lot of situations. 4e is different, thanks to the powers system. The game now has the potential for many different ways you can beat up a disadvantaged foe. I'll bet an internet cookie that powers exist which widen the "beat up a disadvantaged foe" niche, and add specific types and methods for beating up disadvantaged foes. I bet there are powers that let you beat up bloodied foes more effectively, powers that let you do particularly mean things to enemies which grant you combat advantage, and powers that let you do unusual attacks with unusual weapons. If there's no "knock him in the head with a sap" power in the PHB, I predict that there will be eventually. [/QUOTE]

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