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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Cap'n Kobold" data-source="post: 7825485" data-attributes="member: 6802951">Class fantasy: At that kind of level the Bard is a definite spellcaster with several magical abilities that emphasise the fear and manipulation theme, whereas the Rogue is a highly skilled professional who relies on their mundane capabilities and dirty fighting.The image of the character is also important in terms of their abilities: By this time both characters will have an ASI or feat and will gain another during this range. The focus on Dexterity (probably) for the Rogue may be more appealing than splitting between Charisma and Dexterity.At that level range, traps are often getting more common and nastier, and Expertise in Thieves tools is not only starting to distinguish itself, it is seeing more use.Adventuring days are becoming less reliable and often longer, and I like the way the Rogue just keeps on working, whereas the bard requires rests to be able to keep up its DPR. Rogues get uncanny dodge as well, making them surprisingly tough.I can see times when I might prefer to play a Bard rather than a Rogue: I do tend towards support characters. However if playing a bard, I would probably prefer an archetype with a different class fantasy than the College of Whispers.</blockquote>