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Message: <blockquote data-quote="severed_ronin" data-source="post: 5209474" data-attributes="member: 91258">Alright, so I'll just go ahead and straight out give where I'm coming from here. I know this question has been beat into the ground like the dead horse and then proceeded to move onto beating the horse's owner with it, but I'm going more in-depth than any of the arguments I've seen before. Here's the background: My character, a Dark Elf Rogue, is traveling through the World's Largest Dungeon with a Half-Elf Ranger, a Half-Elf Sorcerer, and a Half-Devil Fighter-Warlock. We came to an area where the Half-Devil Fighter-Warlock read some Infernal script, went berserk, transformed into his Devil Form, and began berserking on us. After throwing out some nice tactics, we beat my buddy's character with subdual damage and won ourselves the largest chunk of XP we've gotten thus far. Well, later talks and jokes and discussion onward, we start discussing something. One of his invocations is Devil's Sight (which allows him to see through my magical Darkness when I drop it) and his class ability granted by Warlock which is Detect Magic AT WILL. What he does for us every morning when he wakes up is start up his Detect Magic, Devil Sight, and all that noise in order for us to proceed through the dungeon. Well, like I said, I started thinking more and more on it, mainly due to mine and his quips to each other, and he brought up the fact that no matter how high my Hide ability may be, I still light up like a rock concert to his Detect Magic eyes, so he'd always be able to see me. My rogue has a Ring of Invisibilty, a Cloak of Elvenkind, high ranks in Hide, as well as other magical items that not only amp my Hide abilities up, but other magic items as well. The rest of the party has their magic items too. My rogue's Hide is effectively 35 BEFORE I ever roll my d20. So that leads to the question we've been building up to: Is my rogue capable of hiding from his character? Can a rogue with magic items lighting him up when he ISN'T hiding successfully HIDE against an opponent who is constantly Detecting Magic. What should be rules regarding this? What are the rules saying about this? Many people have come up with their own ideas about it and I'd like to see what all of you have to say about it. My opinion is that the rogue should have to use two checks, Use Magic Device in order to try and suppress the aura (not the magic, just the aura), and then proceed to actively hide. This rogue's check would be countered by the foe's (whether friendly or otherwise) Spot check. If the rogue is carrying an item of significant power (such as an Artifact) this should give some sort of penalty to his check and a bonus to the opposing check. I have more ideas on it but I feel I've ranted enough. I'd like to hear everyone else's take on the subject. Please feel free to comment with your own opinions and please do not bash on each other's ideas. Trolls are abundant enough as it is without us summoning up Web Trolls. Thank you. (Also, below I have included a few links to a couple of the websites I went to in order to ascertain various opinions, ideas, and research.)  <a href="http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?whichpage=0.72&TOPIC_ID=10604&" target="_blank">Candlekeep Forum - Detect Magic and Illusions/Invisibility</a> <a href="http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/rules/detectMagicMagicTrapsInvisibility" target="_blank">http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/paizoPublishing/pathfinder/pathfinderR PG/rules/detectMagicMagicTrapsInvisibility</a> <a href="http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/23693829/Nystals_Magic_Au ra&post_num=7" target="_blank">Whoops! Browser Settings Incompatible</a></blockquote>

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