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Rogue vs Detect Magic - The Same Old Story Spun a Different Way
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<blockquote data-quote="severed_ronin" data-source="post: 5209507" data-attributes="member: 91258"><p>Without adjusting the RAW, I agree with you. I'm going to skip the whole "RAW makes it seem overpowered" speech, because that's another part of the discussion that has been beat into the ground. What I would like to talk about is your thoughts (and others, people, don't be afraid) on what you think would make it streamlined to work better. Some sort of balance between the two. As I was reading more and more into it, I realized that our Warlock associate has been treating Detect Magic more like Arcane Sight than anything. This isn't a problem for me AS LONG AS he isn't attacking me, but for integrity's sake, it needs to be addressed now. If I don't argue his tactics now, then, gods forbid, he goes berserk on us again, he'll argue that he sees me and whatnot. Typical stuff. I'm trying to delve more into the mechanics here.</p><p> </p><p>As for the Use Magic Device, I feel that there could be a potential there for tweaking something into it that should let you minimize the aura. As for the Hide, its like I stated before, an opposed Hide and Spot check. If he went berserk on us, I guarantee that I wouldn't be in the same spot for too long no matter which square it was in that he was concentrating. Right behind the enemy into the sweet spot just to the left of the spine, fourth lumbar down. </p><p> </p><p>But, taking my own game out of it, I just feel there should be someway a Level 20 Rogue can foil the Detect Magic/Arcane Sight of lower level caster. As I said, I'm trying to find a balance here where that epic Rogue can take out a lower level caster without breaking the system and allowing any petty thief to sneak into the Mage Tower and pilfer his goods. I do realize this is why casters prepare other spells, but that is why I stated that my companion was a Warlock (because he can Detect Magic at will). </p><p> </p><p>Taking the Detect Magic at will part of it, let's hypothesize this. A caster casts Greater Arcane Sight/Arcane Sight/Detect Magic on himself and follows it up with Permanency. What now is the rogue with magic items to do? I would love to hear your ideas on this and your own personal opinions. Again, thank you for your patience, and your continued dedication to the game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="severed_ronin, post: 5209507, member: 91258"] Without adjusting the RAW, I agree with you. I'm going to skip the whole "RAW makes it seem overpowered" speech, because that's another part of the discussion that has been beat into the ground. What I would like to talk about is your thoughts (and others, people, don't be afraid) on what you think would make it streamlined to work better. Some sort of balance between the two. As I was reading more and more into it, I realized that our Warlock associate has been treating Detect Magic more like Arcane Sight than anything. This isn't a problem for me AS LONG AS he isn't attacking me, but for integrity's sake, it needs to be addressed now. If I don't argue his tactics now, then, gods forbid, he goes berserk on us again, he'll argue that he sees me and whatnot. Typical stuff. I'm trying to delve more into the mechanics here. As for the Use Magic Device, I feel that there could be a potential there for tweaking something into it that should let you minimize the aura. As for the Hide, its like I stated before, an opposed Hide and Spot check. If he went berserk on us, I guarantee that I wouldn't be in the same spot for too long no matter which square it was in that he was concentrating. Right behind the enemy into the sweet spot just to the left of the spine, fourth lumbar down. But, taking my own game out of it, I just feel there should be someway a Level 20 Rogue can foil the Detect Magic/Arcane Sight of lower level caster. As I said, I'm trying to find a balance here where that epic Rogue can take out a lower level caster without breaking the system and allowing any petty thief to sneak into the Mage Tower and pilfer his goods. I do realize this is why casters prepare other spells, but that is why I stated that my companion was a Warlock (because he can Detect Magic at will). Taking the Detect Magic at will part of it, let's hypothesize this. A caster casts Greater Arcane Sight/Arcane Sight/Detect Magic on himself and follows it up with Permanency. What now is the rogue with magic items to do? I would love to hear your ideas on this and your own personal opinions. Again, thank you for your patience, and your continued dedication to the game. [/QUOTE]
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