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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1624896" data-attributes="member: 5777"><p>And to use the same unfortunate tone, as has been pointed out to you several times, you are wrong.</p><p></p><p>I have read all of your posts, I simply dont agree. Your points are not convincing, and you cannot refute the fact that there is no difference between an alarm going off to point lasers at someone and the same alarm going off to simply make a really loud noise. Both are traps.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p>When used as a trap? sure.</p><p></p><p>SRD:</p><p>Magic Mouth</p><p>Illusion (Glamer)</p><p>Level: Brd 1, Sor/Wiz 2</p><p>Components: V, S, M</p><p>Casting Time: 1 standard action</p><p>Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)</p><p>Target: One creature or object</p><p>Duration: Permanent until discharged</p><p>Saving Throw: Will negates (object)</p><p>Spell Resistance: Yes (object)</p><p>This spell imbues the chosen object or creature with an enchanted mouth that suddenly appears and speaks its message the next time a specified event occurs. The message, which must be twenty-five or fewer words long, can be in any language known by you and can be delivered over a period of 10 minutes. The mouth cannot utter verbal components, use command words, or activate magical effects. It does, however, move according to the words articulated; if it were placed upon a statue, the mouth of the statue would move and appear to speak. Of course, magic mouth can be placed upon a tree, rock, or any other object or creature.</p><p>The spell functions when specific conditions are fulfilled according to your command as set in the spell. Commands can be as general or as detailed as desired, although only visual and audible triggers can be used. Triggers react to what appears to be the case. Disguises and illusions can fool them. Normal darkness does not defeat a visual trigger, but magical darkness or invisibility does. Silent movement or magical silence defeats audible triggers. Audible triggers can be keyed to general types of noises or to a specific noise or spoken word. Actions can serve as triggers if they are visible or audible. A magic mouth cannot distinguish alignment, level, Hit Dice, or class except by external garb.</p><p>The range limit of a trigger is 15 feet per caster level, so a 6th-level caster can command a magic mouth to respond to triggers as far as 90 feet away. Regardless of range, the mouth can respond only to visible or audible triggers and actions in line of sight or within hearing distance.</p><p>Magic mouth can be made permanent with a permanency spell.</p><p>Material Component: A small bit of honeycomb and jade dust worth 10 gp.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This spell talks all about triggers and such. If you walk past the statue, and it starts shouting, 'intruders!! intruders!! intruders!!' I bet people will feel that they walked into a trap. This is because they just sprung a trap.</p><p></p><p>You seem to feel that it would only be a trap if the statue then fell on them. I dont see the distinction, because there isnt one.</p><p></p><p>It doesnt matter if the trap triggers a sound, a laser, or does nothing at all. It is still a trap.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1624896, member: 5777"] And to use the same unfortunate tone, as has been pointed out to you several times, you are wrong. I have read all of your posts, I simply dont agree. Your points are not convincing, and you cannot refute the fact that there is no difference between an alarm going off to point lasers at someone and the same alarm going off to simply make a really loud noise. Both are traps. When used as a trap? sure. SRD: Magic Mouth Illusion (Glamer) Level: Brd 1, Sor/Wiz 2 Components: V, S, M Casting Time: 1 standard action Range: Close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels) Target: One creature or object Duration: Permanent until discharged Saving Throw: Will negates (object) Spell Resistance: Yes (object) This spell imbues the chosen object or creature with an enchanted mouth that suddenly appears and speaks its message the next time a specified event occurs. The message, which must be twenty-five or fewer words long, can be in any language known by you and can be delivered over a period of 10 minutes. The mouth cannot utter verbal components, use command words, or activate magical effects. It does, however, move according to the words articulated; if it were placed upon a statue, the mouth of the statue would move and appear to speak. Of course, magic mouth can be placed upon a tree, rock, or any other object or creature. The spell functions when specific conditions are fulfilled according to your command as set in the spell. Commands can be as general or as detailed as desired, although only visual and audible triggers can be used. Triggers react to what appears to be the case. Disguises and illusions can fool them. Normal darkness does not defeat a visual trigger, but magical darkness or invisibility does. Silent movement or magical silence defeats audible triggers. Audible triggers can be keyed to general types of noises or to a specific noise or spoken word. Actions can serve as triggers if they are visible or audible. A magic mouth cannot distinguish alignment, level, Hit Dice, or class except by external garb. The range limit of a trigger is 15 feet per caster level, so a 6th-level caster can command a magic mouth to respond to triggers as far as 90 feet away. Regardless of range, the mouth can respond only to visible or audible triggers and actions in line of sight or within hearing distance. Magic mouth can be made permanent with a permanency spell. Material Component: A small bit of honeycomb and jade dust worth 10 gp. This spell talks all about triggers and such. If you walk past the statue, and it starts shouting, 'intruders!! intruders!! intruders!!' I bet people will feel that they walked into a trap. This is because they just sprung a trap. You seem to feel that it would only be a trap if the statue then fell on them. I dont see the distinction, because there isnt one. It doesnt matter if the trap triggers a sound, a laser, or does nothing at all. It is still a trap. [/QUOTE]
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