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<blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1624911" data-attributes="member: 5777">Very similar, since it 'is' the triggering component as you have said. The actual final effect is unimportant however, the trigger makes the trap.&nbsp;Unimportant. If you are invisible so that a seeing eye trap cannot detect you and fry you does that make the trap not a trap any longer?If it summons/gates the Monster Of Doom (tm) to come and destroy you does that make it not a trap?What if you take damage from loud sounds? The alarm spell can make a loud sound, it damages you, it acted upon you.Also unimportant, having a physical component is not required for it to be a trap. I will quote from the srd:Spike growth and spike stones, however, create magic traps against which Disable Device checks do not succeed. See the individual spell descriptions for details.Also unimportant, it could very well be that it simply cannot be disarmed, but it is still a trap.I dont care if it can be disarmed or not, it is still a trap.The core books dont say that every sappling tree can be made into a trap either, but we all know it is true.If a spell is set up in such a way as to be a trap, then it is a trap.If someone could cast a delayed fireball that lasted for 24 hours, during which time anyone who approached within distance X triggered it then for those 24 hours it is a trap.Easy, simple, and not counterintuitive like 'it is a trap if this switch is up and not a trap if this switch is down.. even though the trigger is exactly the same either way'</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Scion, post: 1624911, member: 5777"] Very similar, since it 'is' the triggering component as you have said. The actual final effect is unimportant however, the trigger makes the trap. Unimportant. If you are invisible so that a seeing eye trap cannot detect you and fry you does that make the trap not a trap any longer? If it summons/gates the Monster Of Doom (tm) to come and destroy you does that make it not a trap? What if you take damage from loud sounds? The alarm spell can make a loud sound, it damages you, it acted upon you. Also unimportant, having a physical component is not required for it to be a trap. I will quote from the srd: Spike growth and spike stones, however, create magic traps against which Disable Device checks do not succeed. See the individual spell descriptions for details. Also unimportant, it could very well be that it simply cannot be disarmed, but it is still a trap. I dont care if it can be disarmed or not, it is still a trap. The core books dont say that every sappling tree can be made into a trap either, but we all know it is true. If a spell is set up in such a way as to be a trap, then it is a trap. If someone could cast a delayed fireball that lasted for 24 hours, during which time anyone who approached within distance X triggered it then for those 24 hours it is a trap. Easy, simple, and not counterintuitive like 'it is a trap if this switch is up and not a trap if this switch is down.. even though the trigger is exactly the same either way' [/QUOTE]

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