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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 1624984" data-attributes="member: 5724">True, the bell effect (be it audible or inaudible) does no damage to the triggerer. But that's the same as a holy water trap would do no damage to any non-undead/non-evilish type creature or a fireball trap does no damage to one immune to fire, or an arrow trap does not damage to a creature immune to piercing weapons. Yet holy water, fireball, and arrow traps are most definitely traps.A disableable component is not required to disable a magical trap. Ala permanent images ala fire trap.Neither does permanant images although the DMG explictly states it can be used as a trap. Hell, the DMG explictly states that it can be used as a trap that confuses. Which also doesn't fit your definition of trap having to cause direct harm. Sepia snake sigil also isn't stated to be a spell trap but it's listed as a CR 4 trap in the DMG.This is why I think the DMG lists how to deal with spell traps, because not all spell traps will have the spell trap discription in their text.Points rebutted, and to restate.1. A fireball trap does no damage to a creature immune to fire, yet is most definitely a trap per the DMG. Traps are not required to harm to be traps. Traps are not even required to be able to potentially harm in order to be a trap. Sepia snake sigil does no harm. Or, at least no more harm than what an alarm does.  :\ 2. A permanent images) trap per the DMG has no stated physical component to disable. A Fire Trap per the PHB has no stated physical component to disable.And as a point of interest, a firetrap is described as a ward. Alarm is described as a ward as well.3. The permanent image spell does not state it is a spell trap. sepia snake sigil is listed as a CR 4 trap in the DMG yet it also isn't stated to be a spell trap in its discription.joe b.</blockquote>

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