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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Caliban" data-source="post: 1625761" data-attributes="member: 284">No, that is not a valid counterpoint. Something having immunity to the effect of a trap is not equivalent to there not being an effect generated.  Fire trap has a physical component to it. It requires a 1/2 pound of gold dust to be sprinkled on the object, and point on the object to the the focus of the spell.   It would make more sense if it was a glyph or whatever, but the spells aren't always consistent.    Straw man arguement. That's not my definition of trap.  And the DMG says a high level wizard can create a permanent image to conceal dangers or confuse invaders.  That means the Permanent Image itself isn't a trap, it's a component of a trap (concealing a floor pit for example).  Even if it is, what exactly are you disabling? I think that once you have detected it as an illusion, you just ignore it, or you automatically make your save.  Your right it is. Thanks for pointing that out, I thought it odd that that spell wasn't called a trap in the spell description. I think this is an oversight in that particular spell, since it definitely has a direct effect on anyone who triggers it.  I think they are all supposed to, but obviously at least one doesn't. But mainly, I don't think Alarm qualifies as a spell trap.  And your rebuttals have been refuted. Probably not enough to actually change your mind though. Just as your rebuttals weren't enough to change my mind.  It's OK if you disagree with me. Just don't be a jerk about it.</blockquote>

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