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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1626407" data-attributes="member: 5777">You really should listen to this yourself, as you have said nothing new for pages, nor refuted the srd.What you are saying is that if there are two seperate situations where one is an alarm that tells me to jump up and start blasting and the other is an alarm that tells a laser to start blasting that the first is not a trap yet the second one is.Nonsensical.Also, along the same lines, if there is an alarm attatched to a laser and there is a switch in the next room that turns the laser on and off then, even though nothing physical about the situation in the first room, that you can somehow find the trap when the switch is on, and not find it when the switch is off.Also nonsensical.I personally dont care whether or not you can disable the alarm spell, that wasnt the original question. The question is whether or not the rogue can detect the alarm spell.There would seem to be absolutely no reason not to allow it.After all, as part of listed traps there is an alarm type spell. Since it has a certain radius then you must be able to detect something about it. Otherwise for a good number of traps you would have to 'spring' it in order to 'detect' it.Therefore, since an alarm system on a house would be a type of trap, since there are traps that use an alarm type of spell, the alarm spell itself functions in 'exactly the same way' as a trap, and it meets all of the criteria in the trap section of the dmg, it is a trap that can be detected by the rogue.A brick of manure has no listed damage in the phb (that I know of, if it does use some other instrument normally not used to attack that isnt listed). Are you saying that it cannot be used as a weapon? After all, it isnt listed in the weapons section, nor does it say 'weapon' under its description.Of course, in the general sense of weapon it would easily fall under improvised weapons. But then, alarm easily fits within the definition of trap in the trap section.</blockquote>

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