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<blockquote data-quote="RigaMortus" data-source="post: 1632641" data-attributes="member: 1077">I haven't been keeping up with this discussion so I'm not sure if this was mentioned or not, but...I don't think the Rogue needs to &quot;target&quot; or &quot;work on&quot; the point of origin of the Alarm spell in order to disable it.&nbsp; An entire area is warded, the point of origin is just that, the point at which the spell was centered.&nbsp; But an entire area is warded and if the Rogue can next to any part of that warded area, and rolls high enough, he should be able to disable/by-pass the thing.On the other hand...&nbsp; Is the Alarm spell really a trap?&nbsp; What is the definition of a trap?&nbsp; It doesn't harm or otherwise adversely affect the person(s) that triggers the spell.&nbsp; I don't think you should use the term &quot;trap&quot; so losely.&nbsp; Isn't an ambush effectively &quot;a trap&quot;?&nbsp; Does this mean, if a Rogue makes his spot check and sees people lying in wait, he can use Disable Device on them and bypass them?&nbsp; I know that makes no sense, as well it shouldn't, but an ambush is essentially a &quot;trap&quot;.&nbsp; What about a spell that is triggered by the Contingency spell?&nbsp; Is that a &quot;trap&quot;?&nbsp; Assuming it has some sort of adverse effect on the person or thing that triggers it.&nbsp; The point is, Alarm may not necessarily be a trap.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="RigaMortus, post: 1632641, member: 1077"] I haven't been keeping up with this discussion so I'm not sure if this was mentioned or not, but... I don't think the Rogue needs to "target" or "work on" the point of origin of the Alarm spell in order to disable it. An entire area is warded, the point of origin is just that, the point at which the spell was centered. But an entire area is warded and if the Rogue can next to any part of that warded area, and rolls high enough, he should be able to disable/by-pass the thing. On the other hand... Is the Alarm spell really a trap? What is the definition of a trap? It doesn't harm or otherwise adversely affect the person(s) that triggers the spell. I don't think you should use the term "trap" so losely. Isn't an ambush effectively "a trap"? Does this mean, if a Rogue makes his spot check and sees people lying in wait, he can use Disable Device on them and bypass them? I know that makes no sense, as well it shouldn't, but an ambush is essentially a "trap". What about a spell that is triggered by the Contingency spell? Is that a "trap"? Assuming it has some sort of adverse effect on the person or thing that triggers it. The point is, Alarm may not necessarily be a trap. [/QUOTE]

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