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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shallown" data-source="post: 457113" data-attributes="member: 1368">Also don't forget that the caster (in this case the rogue) Has to have a minimum score to cast spells equal to spell level above 10 so a 5th arcane spell requires a 15 intelligence. Rogues can also fake this with UMD but it is a seperate roll.I had a rogue who aquired a device made to help UMD basically gave a skill bonus like a cloak of elvenkind does but to UMD. it did cost a good deal more since the skill is exclusive and potentially powerful but with something like that the rogue becomes the backup caster and becomes very independent of the party. He can't do everything but he can fake it for a while.Later</blockquote>