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<blockquote data-quote="jayoungr" data-source="post: 8376704" data-attributes="member: 6702445">So the DM can up the difficulty of the stealth check if he/she thinks it's warranted.&nbsp; I don't believe the PHB ever explicitly says what the difficulty should be, although I'm guessing a lot of DMs use the target's passive Perception as the DC.I don't feel that this is a major factor.&nbsp; Knowing the number and appearance of your attackers doesn't mean you know where they all are at every moment, especially if one of them is actively trying to evade your notice (stealth check).In a typical fight, that means you will be keeping as much of an eye on the pillar as you can while defending yourself against one or more folks coming at you with sharp pointy things.&nbsp; If you're truly that fixated on watching the pillar, it seems to me the DM should be giving them advantage to hit you.(Also, as a side point, I keep wondering whether people are picturing a room with a single pillar and no other nearby sources of cover, or a more cluttered environment.)I don't believe the difference between &quot;You don't know the rogue exists&quot; and &quot;You know the rogue exists but you don't know where they are in the heat of combat&quot; is meaningful enough to require a mechanical distinction.&nbsp; But other DMs might rule differently.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jayoungr, post: 8376704, member: 6702445"] So the DM can up the difficulty of the stealth check if he/she thinks it's warranted. I don't believe the PHB ever explicitly says what the difficulty should be, although I'm guessing a lot of DMs use the target's passive Perception as the DC. I don't feel that this is a major factor. Knowing the number and appearance of your attackers doesn't mean you know where they all are at every moment, especially if one of them is actively trying to evade your notice (stealth check). In a typical fight, that means you will be keeping as much of an eye on the pillar as you can while defending yourself against one or more folks coming at you with sharp pointy things. If you're truly that fixated on watching the pillar, it seems to me the DM should be giving them advantage to hit you. (Also, as a side point, I keep wondering whether people are picturing a room with a single pillar and no other nearby sources of cover, or a more cluttered environment.) I don't believe the difference between "You don't know the rogue exists" and "You know the rogue exists but you don't know where they are in the heat of combat" is meaningful enough to require a mechanical distinction. But other DMs might rule differently. [/QUOTE]

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