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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jayoungr" data-source="post: 8376936" data-attributes="member: 6702445">In the situation we've been talking about all along, the rogue has been succeeding on stealth checks.  Or at least, that's what I've been talking about.I don't think so.  Let me put it another way:  they could easily have said, "If you come out of hiding, all creatures present will usually see you."  Why do you think they bothered to add that bit about approaching a creature?Then how do you read the sentence on page 192 that says, "If you succeed [on the Hide action], you gain certain benefits, as described in the 'Unseen Attackers and Targets' section later in this chapter"?  If you're going to suggest that you only get the benefits of being an unseen target, why doesn't it specify that you only get some of the benefits in that section?</blockquote>